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W1BR

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ARRL drops the ball??
« on: March 01, 2021, 10:01:06 AM »

This seemed like a great idea on the surface, helping a ham in a HOA to get approval for an antenna through the HOA by providing information that ham could use to prove need and possible benefits.  Instead it was voted down?  They still think they are going to win a legal fight in Congress?

Failed Motion on HOA Handouts

32. Mr. Norton moved, seconded by Mr. Hopengarten, that:

ARRL staff is directed to produce printed material for use by HOA-resident Amateurs in negotiations with HOA Boards and Architectural Committees in efforts to get approval of antennas. This information will be in two parts:

1) A book or booklet with instructions and suggestions for the Radio Amateur to be used in the negotiations.

2) Printed, color handouts to be given to HOA regulatory committees or boards containing background and benefits of Amateur Radio, and at least 10 examples of HOA approved antennas. The antenna examples will have color photos, written descriptions, and possible negotiation history, and will be suggestive of what should be approved by HOA committees.

Staff will find a suitable author and/or researcher to author the material, and suitable editing and graphic assistance to assure its effectiveness.

There was then discussion regarding the potential effectiveness of the directive as written and possible alternatives, as well as how it may affect potential legislative efforts to address these concerns. Following a roll call vote, the motion FAILED, with Ms. Jairam, Ms. McIntyre, Messrs. Abernethy, Carlson, Lippert, Norris, Williams, Zygielbaum, Hippisley and Stratton against; and Messrs. Hopengarten, Ritz, Ryan, Baker, and Norton in favor.
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KF5LJW

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2021, 10:25:42 AM »

Why do you think people move into HOA's for? Hams are not exempt.


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K7AAT

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2021, 10:27:35 AM »


Could you cite the source of this info, and perhaps the date on which it occurred?   I'd like to learn more before I start asking questions....
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W1BR

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2021, 10:34:41 AM »

Why do you think people move into HOA's for? Hams are not exempt.

Why do you post stupid replies that have nothing to do with the subject at hand, or are you just trolling?

This about enabling hams to work within the HOA system and not taking an adversarial position instead of forcing legislation through congress.
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W1BR

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2021, 10:35:38 AM »


Could you cite the source of this info, and perhaps the date on which it occurred?   I'd like to learn more before I start asking questions....
ARRL BoD meeting.

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/ODV/Board%20Meeting%20Jan%202021/2021%20Annual%20Board%20of%20Directors%20Meeting%20Minutes.pdf
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W6BP

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2021, 10:58:26 AM »

That question is best addressed to the directors who voted against it. By the way, the "no" group includes the two directors I respect the most, so I suspect there were some good reasons for their vote.
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W6QW

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2021, 11:23:57 AM »

The ARRL ultimate decision to not publish said alternative is to not have it used against them in any possible future legislative initiative.  Any good lawyer or politician would gravitate to that published alternative as the league's accommodation to CC&R restrictions.
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W1BR

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2021, 11:59:30 AM »

That is what I figured.  But I have a feeling they missed the boat if they think any positive future legislative action will ever happen. 
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K7JQ

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2021, 01:28:25 PM »

IMO, The main two reasons for CC&R antenna restrictions/prohibitions and HOA enforcement are 1. aesthetics, and 2. safety. Nobody wants to look out their window and see wires or vertical/horizontal poles in their neighbor's backyard, and nobody wants said antennas to fall over into their backyard, causing damage or injury. They could give a rat's a** about RFI or radiation. That's too technical for the average homeowner.

Based on past attempts and failures, no matter what the ARRL proposes, I doubt if we're ever gonna see federal legislation to override CC&R's and accommodate amateur radio antennas.

It's either go stealth, or don't move into such a community if antennas are a priority.

Bob K7JQ
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W1VT

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2021, 01:38:22 PM »

I have two dozen antennas and guess what, when people look into my yard they are virtually invisible!
I grow hundreds of flowering shrubs and that is what they look at. The flowers.  I grow roses so I have blooms all season long.
Some folks will walk all the way to my front yard, look at the flowers, and turn around to go back home.

Zak W1VT
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2021, 01:41:24 PM »

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It's either go stealth, or don't move into such a community if antennas are a priority.

Bob K7JQ

Ditto!
Why waste ARRL funds on this issue?
It's the Taylor Swift syndrome!
If you sign a contract, you are bound by it's terms. Move on  or move out.


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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2021, 06:18:53 PM »

When you move into a HOA, you sign a contract. Period. Now if the contract you signed infringes upon your hobby then move. It is not up to a HOA to accommodate every home owners hobby.

I am sure some folks want to raise cattle or have a gun range in the back yard.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2021, 06:51:24 PM »



Why do you post stupid replies that have nothing to do with the subject at hand

HOA's were created to keep undesirables out of the neighborhood. How is that stupid or off topic?
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K7JQ

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2021, 04:31:28 AM »



Why do you post stupid replies that have nothing to do with the subject at hand

HOA's were created to keep undesirables out of the neighborhood. How is that stupid or off topic?

The topic was created to advise of, and solicit comments on, an ARRL proposal to create printed material handouts for hams in HOA/CC&R communities to present to an Architectural Committee in attempts to receive antenna approval. The ARRL board turned it down for various reasons, primarily due to it possibly being detrimental in future attempts at legislation to amend CC&R's.

We all know about, and have different views of, HOA/CC&R antenna restrictions ad nauseum. I think your use of the word "undesirables" is the wrong term. CC&R's and HOA enforcement were created to prevent hams from erecting antennas, not that they are personally "undesirable". A criminal is an undesirable, but he can live in an HOA as long as he doesn't break the rules ::). I'm a ham, I live in an HOA, and I wasn't asked if I'm an "undesirable" when I purchased my house ;).
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W1BR

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Re: ARRL drops the ball??
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2021, 05:19:03 AM »

HOA residents approach their governing boards for all manners of requests, not just ham radio.

Saying that you signed a contract, blah blah blah is just plain ignorant and argumentative.  If the board
has an avenue for a resident to make those requests, then what is the issue??

Forcing Federal legislation to allow antennas would seem to be counter productive and would put amateur radio in a bad light.  Providing an amateur, or anyone for that matter, with the knowledge to successfully plead an argument to persuade the board members seems to be a logical and gentlemanly means to an end.

I am saying that if the ARRL intends to continue fighting for Federal preemption I think they are making a mistake and should have taken a more amical route that avoids conflicts.  Certainly hams have been able to install antennas in HOAs by asking permission and making a reasoned argument and asking for a reasonable wavier that would not upset the HOA standards, as have others for other needs or desires besides ham radio.

I think telling hams to go stealth is evading the contract and breaking that covenant.  It would be better to have permission to install that stealth antenna in the first place.

And I would point out that some responders on here need to read the site manager's rules regarding comments.


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