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W9IQ

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ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« on: September 02, 2021, 02:28:38 PM »

From the ARRL (edited for brevity):

The ARRL Board of Directors has formally endorsed a proposed program calling on ARRL to cover the $35 application fee for license candidates younger than 18 years old. The FCC is not expected to implement the $35 application fee schedule until sometime in 2022.

Under the program, ARRL would cover a one-time $35 application fee for each qualified candidate who passes one or more amateur radio exams taken on the same day at a single examination session. Tests would have to be administered by a Volunteer Examiner (VE) team working under the auspices of the ARRL Volunteer Examiner Coordinator (VEC). Qualified candidates would also pay a reduced exam session fee of $5 to the ARRL VEC.

The Board said ARRL Headquarters staff would determine the method of qualifying applicants and instruct VE teams, giving the teams flexibility to determine that a candidate is eligible for reimbursement in the absence of documented proof. The Board envisioned that the VEC would pay the FCC directly. The new program would initially serve up to 1,000 new license applicants younger than 18 years old.

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2021, 03:12:30 PM »

Where is this money going to come from?
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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2021, 04:57:09 PM »

Basically a good thing to bind young people to the amateur radio service in the long term, but only if they also remain loyal to the ARRL, otherwise I think a refund of the laid out fee is appropriate.
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KM1H

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2021, 04:58:57 PM »

A couple of deep pockets I hope and not from a dues increase.
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K3XR

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2021, 06:28:20 AM »

Being paid to work a wonderful incentive that allows one to be independent and pay their own license fee.  Think of all the items an 18 year (or family) pays for.  The cost of a cell phone alone and monthly fees would be many times more than the license fee.  And let's not forget the designer shoes and video games.  Not only is it a bad move there is no guarantee the 18 year old will progress in the hobby beyond the $30.00 HT (will the League pay for that also?)that could wind up being tossed in a drawer.
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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2021, 07:03:52 AM »

With all of the electronic "distractions" the youth of today faces, I wonder if the mystery of electronics, the "what if's, the old folks talking of the radios of yesteryear, etc, will ever peak an interest in them as it did for many of us in our youth. I suppose not.

I will never forget the thrill of hearing "something" coming over the earphones from my first Philmore crystal set. I was hooked! Are those "great to be living" days gone forever? I suppose so.  ...sigh... Hmmm, I wonder if anyone putters around with DCR's in Heaven?? LOL

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2021, 08:17:33 AM »

Any teenager that cant pay his own fee, self or parents, isnt going to afford a radio and will just be another number in the monthly license totals.

Why is the ARRL going for the bottom of the barrel anyway?
Answer: to con the advertisers with big numbers.

Ive said many times on here about the ARRL in several areas..... Follow the money.
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K3XR

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2021, 10:35:44 AM »

Any teenager that cant pay his own fee, self or parents, isnt going to afford a radio and will just be another number in the monthly license totals.

Why is the ARRL going for the bottom of the barrel anyway?
Answer: to con the advertisers with big numbers

I've said many times on here about the ARRL in several areas..... Follow the money.

Quantity is never a substitute for quality.
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N2EY

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2021, 05:16:29 PM »

When people describe young newcomers as "bottom of the barrel" and such, simply because $35 isn't pocket change to them, one gets the idea that NOBODY measures up to their "standards"....

....even though, when THEY were newcomers, the licenses and tests were FREE, an ARRL License Manual cost 50 cents, and many opf them had kindly Elmers spoon-feeding them everything they needed to know to get started.

And back then, all it took to get full privileges was a General or Conditional.

No, they forget all that.

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KM1H

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2021, 05:45:56 PM »

When people describe young newcomers as "bottom of the barrel" and such, simply because $35 isn't pocket change to them, one gets the idea that NOBODY measures up to their "standards"....

....even though, when THEY were newcomers, the licenses and tests were FREE, an ARRL License Manual cost 50 cents, and many opf them had kindly Elmers spoon-feeding them everything they needed to know to get started.

And back then, all it took to get full privileges was a General or Conditional.

No, they forget all that.

I dont consider teenagers that young and if they cant figure a way to come up with a measly $35 who needs/wants them...they will be looking for handouts for life as do the gimmee gimmee crowd in other areas.

Before 1971 there was no such thing as that stupid elmer name, even the ARRL is returning to MENTOR where it belongs.

A License Manual is a throwback to antiquity, these days all the exam samples are on line, even here on Eham. Back then you actually had to think since the Manuals did not give actual FCC Questions and Answers.

Blame the ARRL for volunteering to bring the VE's into the picture. That made it even easier to find a place to take the test. With free transfers I took a bus and Subway to NYC for $.15, gee whiz thats about $5.50 today using your inflation calculators and the same NYC ride is only up to $2.75. There would be riots if it was jumped to $5.50

Back then the Extra was good only for bragging rights and it wasnt until 68 that it meant something on the bands.....and all the crybabies got all wound up.
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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2021, 07:26:46 PM »

When people describe young newcomers as "bottom of the barrel" and such, simply because $35 isn't pocket change to them, one gets the idea that NOBODY measures up to their "standards"....

....even though, when THEY were newcomers, the licenses and tests were FREE, an ARRL License Manual cost 50 cents, and many opf them had kindly Elmers spoon-feeding them everything they needed to know to get started.

And back then, all it took to get full privileges was a General or Conditional.

No, they forget all that.

Very well said.
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N2EY

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2021, 03:51:30 AM »

It's....interesting....when folks who are SO critical and judgmental can't even do simple math - or understand how online inflation calculators work.

The Westegg Inflation Calculator says that $1 in 1955 inflated to $9.82 in 2020:

https://westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi?money=1&first=1955&final=2020

Which means that 1955 prices should be multiplied by 9.82 to get today's prices.

So, doing just a bit of multiplication, 15 cents in 1955 inflates to $1.47 today.

Not $5.50.

I guess math is hard for some. So is history.

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2021, 10:30:14 AM »

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It's....interesting....when folks who are SO critical and judgmental can't even do simple math - or understand how online inflation calculators work.

Gee whiz Jimmy it was obvious I mixed up two different prices, the NYC subway .15 and the License Manual .50 and rounded 5.60 to about 5.50. Dont ask me why as I was in a rush to leave for the VA Hospital for some blood tests, went to dinner with friends and returned and didnt proof my work, just hit send and went to bed around my usual time.
The error was all mine which I admit.

Instead of acting like a normal person and simply questioning my numbers you went off the wall into an attack mode which really shows your true colors.

I should expect an apology but that may be a stretch for you.
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N2EY

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2021, 11:09:55 AM »

When people describe young newcomers as "bottom of the barrel" and such, simply because $35 isn't pocket change to them, one gets the idea that NOBODY measures up to their "standards"....

....even though, when THEY were newcomers, the licenses and tests were FREE, an ARRL License Manual cost 50 cents, and many opf them had kindly Elmers spoon-feeding them everything they needed to know to get started.

And back then, all it took to get full privileges was a General or Conditional.

No, they forget all that.

Very well said.

Thanks!

The Big Problem I see is that SOME "old timers" - just SOME - have, shall we say, inaccurate memories. Worse, they take ANY disagreement with their stated views as a personal insult and attack.

For example, in the 1950s and 1960s, new amateur radio gear was a lot more expensive (inflation adjusted) than today. But a lot of other things were less expensive (adjusted for inflation) than today.

WW2 surplus that could be easily converted to HF amateur use was common "back then", and if you didn't live near a big city with a "Radio Row" there were mail order outfits like Fair Radio. Parts from old TVs and BC radios could easily be reused too.

Today, not so much.

Some folks just have to go all Four Yorkshiremen on others for DARING to disagree. And then they try to play the victim.

73 de Jim, N2EY
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KM1H

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Re: ARRL to Pay Initial License Fee for Under 18 Year Olds
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2021, 12:17:25 PM »

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Some folks just have to go all Four Yorkshiremen on others for DARING to disagree. And then they try to play the victim.

73 de Jim, N2EY

A huge thumbs down from anyone who dares to disagree or correct him, what a self serving deceitful person going on decades. I think that describes a troll.
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