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VA3DKF

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Bicycle Mobile
« on: September 07, 2021, 04:47:37 PM »

Hi Everyone,

I'm in need a vertical antenna to mount on my bicycle that will allow me to make contacts on the 20m band.  I'd like to do this while pedalling so I don't think radials or ground planes will work for me.

Does anyone know of a vertical antenna that will work for the 20m Band, that isn't too costly, but will work for what I'm trying to achieve?

The radio I am using is an FT-818, with 6 watts of power and an MFJ manual antenna tuner.  Ideally I would like to mount the antenna on a stud on the rear bicycle rack and have a short run of coax (6') to the bag mounted on the handle bars that holds my radio and tuner.

This is a very exciting project for me.  Any input for an antenna would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Daniel
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K6AER

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2021, 07:14:17 PM »

First off, at 6 watts, 20 meter contacts will be challenging with a dipole at 40 feet.

A bicycle vertical being a bit less than a 1/4 wavelength high will be about 20 dB lower than the aforementioned dipole up high. You can help your efficiency by dragging 16 feet of 20 Gage wire behind the bicycle for a counterpoise but even then it will be a hard struggle.

Is this your only option for getting on the air?
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K0UA

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2021, 07:28:11 PM »

Well, a "hamstick" will "work" and is is cheap. But as said 6 watts on SSB with the current solar conditions while moving is gonna be tuff. It is possible, though and conditions on the upper bands will improve. The higher you go, the more efficient an antenna could be. In other words a 10 meter hamstick is a lot more efficient than a 20 meter hamstick and when the conditions will support SSB contacts with 6 watts you are going to have a lot more contacts and fun. You could also make a lot more contacts with CW, but that rolling CW is kind of rough.  Of course other mobile antennas like screwdrivers with much larger center loaded coils  are much more efficient.  But efficiency vs. cost is always a concern. Of course you could make your own center loaded antenna with a larger coil for less.
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VA3DKF

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2021, 05:17:32 PM »

@K6AER
@K0UA

Thank you both for your replies.

I'm not limited to a vertical antenna. A vertical 1/4 wave seemed like my best option for being able to pedal around on my bicycle and listen to the bands while trying to make contacts.   I'm also not limited to the 20m band, I just have enjoyed using my FT-818 with low power and a homemade G5VR antenna I hung from my chimney.  A couple of  years ago I made a contact with Venezuela from South Western Ontario, Canada, using only 6 Watts of power.  This was rather exciting, but I do not expect the same results using a 1/4 Wave vertical antenna and I did not expect to make the distance I did with the G5VR with such low power.   

I feel optimistic about a 1/4 Vertical but definitely open to new antenna ideas while keeping everything completely mobile, as being in motion while playing ham.
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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2021, 07:51:53 PM »

Operating bicycle mobile requires a major focus on practicality.

Back in my  younger days, I tried an 80m 1-transistor transmitter
with a 8.5m (9 ft) whip on the back of my bicycle.  I don't think
anyone actually heard me, and I didn't have a receiver (since
the only ones I had at the time used tubes).  Later I used the
same whip as a 2m J-pole, and it worked much better.

Getting on and off the bike was more complicated, however, as
I couldn't swing my leg over the back (it would be different with
a recumbent), and, even though the antenna was mounted to
my back axle rather than the carrier, I still ran into problems with
overhanging branches, as the edges of the roads where the bike
paths are often don't get pruned by passing trucks as well as
further out into the roadway.

However, even on 2m FM, casual operation isn't always as
convenient while in motion as one might like.  The best
arrangement I found was to have a PTT switch that I could
operate with a finger while still holding the handle bars,
along with a boom mic, which needed to be able to pull free
in case I took a tumble.  And "engine noise" (due to heavy
breathing into the microphone) could be an issue, particularly
going up hills.

If you are going to operate SSB, you'll either need to stick to
a particular frequency, or wire the up/down mic switches to a
control on the handle bars.  There is no way I would have been
able to tune a radio while riding if I had to grab a knob and
turn it carefully.


Back to antennas:  a vertical antenna can work well, and the
"hamstick"-style antennas aren't too bad on 20m and higher
bands, but you need a separate one for each band you plan to
operate.  (You might manage to use one on the next lower band
with a tuner, but in my experience they make poor multiband
antennas.)  A better approach would be to have one with a tapped
coil where you could (stop and) reset the antenna to change
bands.  You may need to build something yourself, although
there are some commercial versions.

You may find that some of the commercial mobile antennas don't
tune well when mounted on your bicycle frame because it is
too small of a ground plane.  Using a longer adjustable whip
may help, and I've also improvised by attaching an alligator
clip to the top of the antenna and moving it up and down for
fine tuning.

You certainly could use a typical bicycle flag on a fiberglass
rod as the basis of a mobile antenna if you wanted to build
your own, again with some loss of efficiency due to the shorter
length.  I'd suggest winding the coil on a larger former than
the rod itself, however, for better performance.  For 15m through
10m, converting a CB antenna of suitable size and mounting
is a good starting point.

The ATAS series antennas are shorter and can be tuned remotely
for changing bands, although they aren't cheap, and efficiency
suffers somewhat due to the shorter length.  Those are all
trade-offs that you need to make for yourself based on your
operating goals.

If you know you will be riding out in the middle of nowhere,
with no traffic or power lines, you could try towing a kite
behind you to support an antenna, although the potential
safety hazards must be seriously considered.

If you just want to say you've made an HF contact from your
bicycle, that certainly can be done with a local station, where
antenna efficiency and size aren't as critical.  But for chatting
while commuting or riding long distances, then a carefully tuned
vertical can work, but likely will work best when you are on a
calling frequency where other stations will show up, rather than
trying to scan the bands.  But you'll have to see for yourself
how much attention you are comfortable diverting from paying
attention to riding to plan ham radio.



You may find some useful information on the HF PACK group, which
includes bicycles and other human-powered transportation.
They have recommended frequencies, which may allow you to
get by without having to tune the radio.

K0UA

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 09:15:57 PM »

What I have seen of bicycle mobile is a lot of the guys stop when they intend to operate. Everything is on the bike, but they are operating "portable" more than mobile for some of the reasons pointed out. Not saying you can't do it, but operating and pedaling the bike keeps most people fairly busy, let alone trying to operate SSB phone. Also a lot of guys want to go to the very highest and clearest area they can pedal to so that their signals have the best chance of being heard. Another option is to get right down to the water line of an ocean.

My mobile operation from my really large (lots of metal there) 2010 Silverado extended cab truck has taught me that the area you operate from can make a tremendous difference in signal strengths.
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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2021, 10:14:36 AM »

What I have seen of bicycle mobile is a lot of the guys stop when they intend to operate. Everything is on the bike, but they are operating "portable" more than mobile for some of the reasons pointed out.
I do this when running bands lower than 12 or 15M while mobile (either on my motorcycles or bicycles). My current bicycle setup employs a VX-7R, a Pryme Bluetooth adapter/PTT unit and a Motorola HT-820 Bluetooth headset. The PTT switch is on the bars, and I use a multiband flex duck or a tail rack mounted multiband antenna (Comet, MFJ and Diamond are three examples of half a dozen my inventory, providing 6/2/440 or 2/222/440 coverage). I often use the radio while underway and have made simplex QSOs at ranges approaching 10mi with it.

For 6M through 15M mobile bicycle work (in addition to bands mentioned above) I'm seriously considering a QR-20 and mounting it in my bike's tail bag. Android and Apple apps will let me remotely control it through a bar-mounted smart phone and the HT-820 headset would interface to the radio via the same mechanism. Antenna duties for the HF bands and 6 can be handled by a 102" whip, mounted to the bike's frame. A trailing wire ground can be employed; the QR-20 has a built-in automatic antenna tuner.

20M is going to be dicey at best with a light(er) weight bicycle-mounted antenna. Get into something like a Hustler mobile mast/resonator and you begin piling the pounds on. You'll pay for it come pedal time if you're in hilly terrain.

My latest motorcycle HF project is of sufficient complexity that a writeup for MARC and a couple other 'Net resources is probably in order. Part of the reason I'm doing it is to have a self-contained 10w all-mode portable that can be ridden to a campsite and put on the air for the duration of the stay, and be able to operate 6 through 12M and 2/440 simultaneously while underway if desired.
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VA3DKF

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2021, 09:20:59 AM »

These are all some really good examples of what may work and some more of the difficulties I face in making this mobile bicycle function the way I'd like.

I found an antenna I may try, it's the MFJ-2286.   It's 17', and is collapsible.  The trail that I ride has a lot of trees and riding with a 17' whip sticking up from the rear of my bicycle might be a bit dodgy in trying to avoid low branches.  One option is I can shorten the antenna and try anther band?  maybe?

Riding across the county, on the rural roads shouldn't pose a problem if the Antenna is 17' high.  I can ride where there are no bridges and very few electrical wires.   I'd have to be pretty careful in making sure I don't end up striking a low wire and going "Back to the Future" like Marty did in this movie clip.  https://youtu.be/AM5EYO5wWMA?t=46   That movie series was my favorite growing up.

Back to reality, I reviewed a contact I made in 2018 on 20m.   I used the same FT-818 on 5 Watts of power, and a G5RV antenna and made a couple contacts with Cuba, and one in Belize (I'm in VA3/VE3).  Very Very Exciting!   To sort out how to stay QRP and Mobile on the 20m band is even more exciting for me.  I have never tried anything with verticals before, so this is all new and I thank you all for you support.
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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2021, 12:10:07 PM »

Quote from: VA3DKF

I found an antenna I may try, it's the MFJ-2286.   It's 17', and is collapsible.  The trail that I ride has a lot of trees and riding with a 17' whip sticking up from the rear of my bicycle might be a bit dodgy in trying to avoid low branches... 



Telescoping whips tend to be fragile.  I don't have experience with
that specific stainless steel version,  but there will be a lot of force
at the base if it hits anything.

I've also had more problems with vibration on a bicycle than in a
car:  the center pin of the connector on my 2m rubber duck antenna
wore down due to the vibration of the antenna, and that is a lot
smaller!

Based on my experience with the 2.7 m whip, that is probably as
high as I'd recommend for an antenna, especially on the back rack.

Although...  if you have a spring clamp on the rack, you could try
mounting the antenna to that, and let the clamp spring take up
some of the shock when you hit things...

The standard 2.5m mobile whips should be reasonably efficient on
20m and up.  The top half is a thin steel whip, which will handle
branches better.



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...One option is I can shorten the antenna and try anther band?  maybe?



Yes, you could.  I'd still be concerned with the mechanical
joint at the base of the antenna, and the overall height.
Vibration, wind drag, and impacts with tree branches need
to be considered in the design.

Instead I would suggest W5DXP's modified "Bugstick",
that can cover other bands by selecting a different tap on
the coil.  That uses a larger diameter coil for higher efficiency,
and allows the single antenna to cover 20m through 10m
(although you have to stop and move the coil tap to change
bands).   But once you find the right tap points, you can
solder connectors to tabs there to make it easy to switch.

There are commercial mobile antennas like the Outbacker
series that have manual band switching.

Certainly the higher bands like 17m and 15m may be better
as they open up more, so having the capability there would
be a good idea.  And even 10m can have some surprises

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2021, 12:27:30 PM »

Have you thought about a small, low, light weight bicycle trailer.  A taller whip could be mounted on the trailer.  With a trailer you could easily use heavier batteries which could be mounted low and help stabilize the trailer, and as a bonus you might be able to up you power to perhaps 20 or 50 watts if necessary.  Also the whole trailer, bike, and tongue would be perhaps over twice as long as just your bike.  This would be a better counterpoise, and a possibility would be to make the trailer floor conductive, perhaps with aluminum foil.  This would possibly couple to the ground slightly.  This might either help or hurt your operation.  I have toured extensively with my bicycles, and have talked to many tourists who prefer their trailers to their paniers. In fact most "love" their trailers.  I have never tried a trailer personally, so this is just something to think about, do not go out and buy one on my recommendation alone.          Rick  KL7CW
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K0UA

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2021, 01:04:57 PM »

And in any case, whatever you do, we would like to hear about it. Not just what worked but also what you tried that did not work out so well. Any and all feedback would be appreciated so we can help others in the future.
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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2021, 05:54:10 PM »

While on mountain bike and hiker trails, I have seen a few trailers much more narrow than the typical kiddie hauler.  They sit very low, and the load is usually strapped very close to the ground.  If too narrow your antenna may tend to tip the trailer over.  I believe I have seen both single wheel and two wheel trailers.  At least some of them were home made.  One fellow had a single wheel trailer, and his hitch used a U joint, from a socket set, and I met him way up a moderately difficult trail.  Probably hitches will not (can not) prevent trailer tip over, so two wheels and some weight very low down along with a slim light weight mast, perhaps something like a bike or snow marker thing, but somewhat longer.
     Let us know what happens, I may yet try "mobile" via bike.  On some long bike and hiking trips I enjoyed operating portable (QRP) from the campsite, but in reality I was usually just too tired at the end of a long day and spent my time cooking, eating, then sleeping.  IF I got to camp early, then operating portable was GREAT.            Rick  KL7CW
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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2021, 05:47:40 PM »

This Mobile Bicycle Project continues to be lots of fun.  Even though I don't have anything mounted on the bicycle, I've been enjoying putting it all together.

I acquired a used antenna.   It's an ATAS-25.  It consists of a 3 section whip about a meter or so in length with an adjustable coil on its base.

This afternoon, I found a shaded picnic table and gave it a try on my FT-818.   I had one hell of a time trying to tune it, but I did manage to get a low SWR and marked the coil with some masking tape so I wouldn't have such a struggle in the future.

There are 2 small metal reflective elements on the the antennas base.  What appear to be a 12" and an 8" piece of 1/8th Stainless Rod that must act as some sort of ground plane?  There is also a small screw on the base for a counterpoise wire.   I had some wire with me that I attached when trying to tune for 20m.  It seemed to work, but maybe not as well as it could be.

I need to learn a bit more about my FT-818 and being able to use the onboard SWR meter.  Maybe I'm just out of practice, it has been since 2018 when I last picked up the radio/mic.  A used automatic tuner is on my radar.

Regardless, I find that this may not be the best antenna for trying to achieve a completely Mobile Bicycle setup.  The counterpoise wires really can't drag behind me while I pedal!
 
I came across another style of antenna I may try to make.  It's called the Wonder Wand 750.  It's basically a 1meter copper loop of wire that will cover the 20m Band when tuned properly.  It's a small loop, making it easy to mount on my bicycle and it doesn't seem to need a counterpoise wire.  Worth a try!

Reading all the previous replies, I really like the bicycle trailer idea.   I would like to try to keep this project strictly to just my bicycle, but I am really considering having a much larger antenna and power supply I could tow behind me.  Thank you for all the great suggestions.

Oh, I wasn't able to make a contact with the ATAS-25, but I tried, and tried hard.  I was picking up lots on the 20m Band but just couldn't get out.  I blame my lack of experience tuning the ATAS-5 antenna.  With practice, I should be able to make it work.

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K0UA

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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2021, 07:04:32 PM »

Remember what was discussed about being parked. Also consider CW or a digital mode, More bang for the buck than SSB by about 10 dB. Thats a lot. You only have about 6 watts to begin with, so you have to make your antenna as efficient as you can. Perhaps park under a tree, throw a string to pull up a lightweight wire and clip it to your ATAS whip. This will greatly increase the efficiency of this type of antenna, especially on 20 meters and down. Also throwing out a couple of radials will likely makes things better. Keep at it and let us know how it goes. We likely can all learn something from your experience.
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Re: Bicycle Mobile
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2021, 09:48:59 PM »

In recent years I have really enjoyed my automatic antenna tuner in my KX1.  Makes portable operation much more enjoyable since it will easily load various (BUT NOT ALL) wires.  An external ATU is also a possibility.  For fixed operation a manual tuner will work OK and probably be more efficient.  Some folks like to use a whip resonant on a band, then use an artificial ground, or some type of tuner to tune the counterpoise wires.  For low power operation probably does not make much difference if you tune the counterpoise or the antenna wire.  For significant power, say perhaps 25 watts (??) or more common mode current can cause problems with your transceiver, keyer, etc.  Also running significant power may present problems with an antenna only a meter or two away from you and your transceiver. Personally with my MANY portable operations, with all kinds of strange wires, I have never had any problems when running 1 to 10 watts.  I am sure others have had different results.  I use CW 99% of the time for my 67 years as a ham.  SSB is fine with 100 watts with many antennas, QRP CW works fine with compromise antennas, even the 1 or 2 watts I typically run.  QRP SSB with a compromise antenna is seldom easy if even possible.  CW is much more fun (for me) and I like the 10 to 15 dB advantage over SSB.  I have had the thought that it might be possible to mount a sturdy post of perhaps 2 feet or so on your low trailer.  Put a loading coil at the top of the post.  Since it will be sturdy and not sway, perhaps you could use something like a 1.5 inch or even 2 inch diameter tapped coil.  The Q (lets say that is related to efficiency) would be reasonable.  Then go on up another 6 or 8 feet with a bike flag mast, or whatever.  Various designs for portable verticals put the loading coil up a foot or two above the base.  Probably helps a bit.  My personal rule of thumb is if a vertical antenna length can be at least about half of a quarter wave the efficiency may be "reasonable" if the counterpoise or ground plane and the loading coil is OK.  Antennas shorter than this become much more inefficient.  CB antennas should be about 9 feet long, but these folks do OK with their half size 4 foot or whatever whips.  I used a 4 foot whip on top of my car on 10 meter phone 60 years ago running less than 10 watts (AM).  This half size antenna was not great, but could occasionally work from California to the east coast (propagation was better in the "good old days".  A whip roughly 8 feet in length will be moderately useful on 20 meters.  On 40 meters an eight foot whip will have much lower efficiency. Some bike mobile operators no longer ham while in motion.  Some have had accidents while trying.  You will gain at least 10 dB with a real antenna like a dipole in a tree or on an extension mast.  Makeshift verticals tend to be interior in most situations.  Even an end fed wire works.  Often horizontal antennas even at low heights (say 20 or 25 feet) tend to be very acceptable on 20 and 40 meters in MOST but not all situations.          Rick  KL7CW
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