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K0UA

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2021, 11:35:14 AM »

What have you got against insurance salesmen?  Your going to want and need a good one that you trust  when you are deciding on your Medicare fate. And it is often a lifelong decision that you will be required to make, good or bad. It is up to you, but you are sure going to need someone to guide you.
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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2021, 02:05:45 PM »

What a crock. Ive never used a door knocker salesman for anything including insurance.

All my insurance is thru USAA and medical is thru VA.
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K0UA

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2021, 08:14:18 PM »

What a crock. Ive never used a door knocker salesman for anything including insurance.

All my insurance is thru USAA and medical is thru VA.

Did I say anything about being a door knocker insurance salesman?  NO. All of my client contacts are thru appointments only. And I do very few any more.
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73  James K0UA

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2021, 07:33:08 AM »

What you said was:

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What have you got against insurance salesmen?
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That seems to be a very broad answer. The door to door insurance seller was a well known pest for decades. About as bad as another group I wont mention here.
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K1FBI

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2021, 07:51:00 AM »

All along the Watchtower; can I get a Witness.  ::)
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K0UA

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2021, 08:47:10 AM »

What you said was:

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What have you got against insurance salesmen?
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That seems to be a very broad answer. The door to door insurance seller was a well known pest for decades. About as bad as another group I wont mention here.

What other group do you disapprove of Carl?  You brought it up, might as well express yourself.

 For the record, I would not want some insurance salesman knocking on my door either unless we had an appointment.
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73  James K0UA

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2021, 08:55:24 AM »

There has always been this ongoing pixxing contest regarding what the standards should be to have an amateur radio license.

With regard to personal opinions on the forums, it always seems to come down to this:

An applicant has to prove he or she is "... at least as good as I THINK I am ...", no matter if that "I" person is a high school dropout, pilot, technician, engineer or Nobel laureate.

Pretty subjective and funny, if you think about it.  And no operator, no matter how bad their habits EVER says "I don't belong here!".

Some may think that way. Most don't. And of course Dunning-Kruger Effect is common.

The simple fact is, 99.99999% of hams today couldn't repair a modern radio, let alone build one (unless its a "Lego" kit) to save their lives, nor do they have access to the equipment needed to do so.  And it was pretty much the same back in the '60's.  (Remember Heathkit, Allied, etc.?).

Let's do the math!

99% is 99 out of 100
99.9% is 999 out of 1,000
99.99% is 9,999 out of 10,000
99.999% is 99,999 out of 100,000
99.9999% is 999,999 out of 1,000,000
99.99999% is 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000

IOW, you're saying only 1 in 10 million hams couldn't repair a "modern" radio, let alone build one.

But that's clearly not the case. 99% might not be able to, but not 99.99999%.

And I remember the 1960s and the kits. Hams built them in the tens of thousands - for many years, the HW-101 was the most popular amateur radio transceiver ever sold. You may call them "Lego kits", but they took a bit more than that.

Also - there's no requirement to use "modern" gear. All that matters is reasonable signal quality.

Most of all, the US amateur radio license tests have always been very basic, and not near the level needed to design or build receivers and transmitters.

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Regardless of skill level, the hobby can be enjoyed well as long as we are cooperative and respectful of each other.  That and a little reading regarding the very, very, very basic operating rules we do have will carry the day.

Sure. But what should be done about those who aren't cooperative and respectful? And/or those who won't read not follow the basic rules?

73 de Jim, N2EY
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K3UIM

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2021, 09:25:50 AM »

"99% is 99 out of 100
99.9% is 999 out of 1,000
99.99% is 9,999 out of 10,000
99.999% is 99,999 out of 100,000
99.9999% is 999,999 out of 1,000,000
99.99999% is 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000"

I see now what they mean about the math problems being so tough in the Extra class test! I'm just not ready for it yet, I guess!  ;D ;D
Charlie
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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2021, 02:12:59 PM »

"99% is 99 out of 100
99.9% is 999 out of 1,000
99.99% is 9,999 out of 10,000
99.999% is 99,999 out of 100,000
99.9999% is 999,999 out of 1,000,000
99.99999% is 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000"

I see now what they mean about the math problems being so tough in the Extra class test! I'm just not ready for it yet, I guess!  ;D ;D
Charlie

Ya gotta watch out for the "theoretical physics" too!
Run Charlie, run!   ;D

K3UIM

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2021, 02:41:42 PM »

"99% is 99 out of 100
99.9% is 999 out of 1,000
99.99% is 9,999 out of 10,000
99.999% is 99,999 out of 100,000
99.9999% is 999,999 out of 1,000,000
99.99999% is 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000"

I see now what they mean about the math problems being so tough in the Extra class test! I'm just not ready for it yet, I guess!  ;D ;D
Charlie

Ya gotta watch out for the "theoretical physics" too!
Run Charlie, run!   ;D
Good gracious, James!!! are you trying to tell me that they're now making fake Ex-Lax?? Is nothing sacred any more??
"Flabbergasted" Charlie
 :-[ ::) :o ;D ;D
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K6BRN

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2021, 06:18:36 PM »

Hi Jim (NE2Y):

You think I put in maybe one or two extra zeros in my estimate?  OK, then I'll back down to just 99.99%.  It's the same number for all practical purposes.

Regarding what to do with hams that misbehave ... well, laugh a bit and move on with life.  Let the FCC, ARRL or whoever cares to police the airwaves.  Plenty of bandwidth is mostly empty.  Let's use it.

And remember the following two laws of survival:

1.  Never be too literal
2.  Never take anything too seriously
3.  Pick a good brand of whisky, whiskey, brandy, cognac or wine and have at least one dose (shot) a day.

Ooops!  That's three.  50% more than I claimed.  Darn!

Oh well.

Brian - K6BRN
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K3UIM

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2021, 06:44:11 PM »

Well put, Brian. I agree with numbers 1 and 2, but find that number 3 has been my way of getting restful, sleep filled nights! Although, I frankly must admit that my 'habit' started shortly after I accepted the fact that old age had taken control of certain "customs" of my life and a bedtime shot of Brandy and water has been a good substitute for "old ways" recently. LOL
But I ramble.

Alcoholism has been a factor in past generations which has made me very cautious with the subject. It surely does help sleepless nights, though.

Charlie
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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2021, 01:40:14 AM »

According to statistics, 73.6% or all statistics are made up.
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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2021, 08:39:38 AM »

According to statistics, 73.6% or all statistics are made up.

Samuel Clemens ( Mark Twain) once wrote; "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics!"
Still true today!

K4EMF

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2021, 11:11:16 AM »

Welcome to a society where people want something without having to work for it...........Passing the Extra exam has NEVER been easier. 

                                                    Tom KH0/KC0W
I agree, if I can pass the extra exam (2109) pretty much anyone can. My entire knowledge of electronic components and circuits would fit on a QSL card.  It's also my understanding there are 12 year old extra's. 

I WANT SOMETHING FOR NOTHING!!!
Give me, Give me, Give me!!!

"For willing to do a little work"
And there is the issue!

"it is too “technical”
Uhhhh.... this is a "technical" hobby!?!?!!!

I have NO problem with a no-code license(I came in as a no-code tech in 1991)
 and I hated CW(but did it) but it should STILL be required, at LEAST for the Extra.

(13WPM Extra)
Again I agree.  If you want extra privileges take the extra exam.  Have we, the ARRL and the FCC not watered down the technical side of entering our hobby enough already?
I don't think for a second a code requirement is coming back but I do wish the FCC had kept some code requirement for the extra, even if it wasn't 20wpm. This is just my opinion but personally think every ham should have at least a working knowledge of CW.
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