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K3UIM

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2021, 02:40:09 PM »

All along the Watchtower; can I get a Witness.  ::)
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K3UIM

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2021, 02:48:24 PM »

"I don't think for a second a code requirement is coming back but I do wish the FCC had kept some code requirement for the extra, even if it wasn't 20wpm. This is just my opinion but personally think every ham should have at least a working knowledge of CW."

I truly believe that 5 WPM code should be a requirement for the "Big "one and, given time and a few QSO's, a love for it may just develop. Just saying:

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2021, 08:17:34 AM »

Thanks Everyone for some really great comments and history lessons. I’m going to give it a shot, just got the “good book” delivered… 73! Andy

what a refreshing example you are setting by reading replies and adjusting your perspective on this!
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K0UA

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2021, 11:12:16 AM »

Thanks Everyone for some really great comments and history lessons. I’m going to give it a shot, just got the “good book” delivered… 73! Andy

what a refreshing example you are setting by reading replies and adjusting your perspective on this!
One word of advice: do yourself a big favor and subscribe to --  www.hamtestonline.com

check out the free trial they offer, but just know this software is amazing.  it tests you, then uses software to teach you in the areas you lack, retests you and adjusts accordingly.  it makes studying engaging and fun and you will absolutely KNOW when you are ready to head to the VE to pass that Extra! (it also removes all costs of study materials other than the cost of a subscription!)
if you are still skeptical note that it offers a money-back guarantee -- read the eham reviews (when do you ever find so many hams agree on giving something 5 stars?)
https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=3412

That is what my wife Linda, KA0NXI used. Best $35 spent on Extra class Study.
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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2021, 05:11:45 PM »


what a refreshing example you are setting by reading replies and adjusting your perspective on this!
One word of advice: do yourself a big favor and subscribe to --  www.hamtestonline.com

check out the free trial they offer, but just know this software is amazing.  it tests you, then uses software to teach you in the areas you lack, retests you and adjusts accordingly.  it makes studying engaging and fun and you will absolutely KNOW when you are ready to head to the VE to pass that Extra! (it also removes all costs of study materials other than the cost of a subscription!)
if you are still skeptical note that it offers a money-back guarantee -- read the eham reviews (when do you ever find so many hams agree on giving something 5 stars?)
https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=3412
I can concur that this is excellent advice.  I used it to prepare for my extra exam. 
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K0UA

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2021, 08:38:53 PM »

Thanks Everyone for some really great comments and history lessons. I’m going to give it a shot, just got the “good book” delivered… 73! Andy

what a refreshing example you are setting by reading replies and adjusting your perspective on this!
One word of advice: do yourself a big favor and subscribe to --  www.hamtestonline.com

check out the free trial they offer, but just know this software is amazing.  it tests you, then uses software to teach you in the areas you lack, retests you and adjusts accordingly.  it makes studying engaging and fun and you will absolutely KNOW when you are ready to head to the VE to pass that Extra! (it also removes all costs of study materials other than the cost of a subscription!)
if you are still skeptical note that it offers a money-back guarantee -- read the eham reviews (when do you ever find so many hams agree on giving something 5 stars?)
https://www.eham.net/reviews/view-product?id=3412

That is what my wife Linda, KA0NXI used. Best $35 spent on Extra class Study.

Check out the latest review for hamtestonline that she wrote.
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K1QQQ

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2022, 12:04:03 AM »

If I am correct it was the ARRL who petitioned the FCC for Incentive Licensing and the 'band segments'. It caused a major stir at the time and many left amateur radio. Even Wayne Greene of 73 Magazine refused to 'upgrade'. The sour part was demoting (seems the most recent licenses were demoted and those not tested in decades stayed the same) people who already had privileges and passed probably a harder test when they got the license.

Petitions to FCC to change what the ARRL did never went anywhere. Probably because the ARRL did not support such.

Time passes. Few remember those days.

I supported a CW test. The most simple way to communicate. If people understand music CW is hard ? How many variables in music ?

Everybodies brain is different I guess. Some of the smartest I would guess can not digest short and long tones. Yes. Society does not use it anymore. (wonder why ?)

To me digesting test questions does not permanent stay in ones brain. Some have short term memory. Me ? I can not remember anything from 5 minutes ago but remember everything from 50 years ago. Hey..the test pool expires by the time I remember it !! Once the test had no question-answer pool to remember. Had to travel to a FCC office. Extra's that got their license prior to mid-60's ?

Go surf CB videos on YouTube for example. Zero except AUDIO and a BIRD WATTMETER. The ones that have excellence are selling something to the CB world. I doubt many CB'ers know what a resistor is.

Inevitable. Lower the requirements for amateur radio and what do you get ? Now..tell me the Technician is hard ? Excuse me but some Techs drive me crazy. The repeater and can't wander anywhere. Why not surf the various bands like 6 or even 10 ? Do they have Novice Privileges ? I know no novice anymore but a few long and short tones and they could communicate worldwide BUT.NO..it is not in fashion...
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W4FID

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2022, 03:37:38 AM »

In my case it is not about wanting something for nothing. As a high school kid in 1961 I took public transportation into downtown Chicago and took my General test at the Federal Building administered by FCC employees in a controlled environment. I passed both the code and written exams on the first try and got full amateur privileges. Then later I was no longer "good enough" so some of the frequency allocations I earned were taken away. As a CW, SSB, and digital operator (I go back so far I had mechanical RTTY and AM for a while). I had 2M FM in my car so long ago a radio with sets of crystals for 6 repeaters was good and for 12 was great. I have had a HF station on the air every day (some minimalist some very nice) for the 61+ years I have been licensed. I don't care about -- will never operate -- modes where Doppler effect matters and I'll never program Adriano or Raspberry pi. Yet for some reason I should memorize crap and pretend I know about them. I took and passed a genuine exam for modes I operate for 60+ years and Elmer lots of guys who "memorized the book" but cannot even get a plug and play station up and running. How many adds are in QST for prefabbed dipoles? How often do we see posts asking "how big a battery do I need to power my portable station?" These days we let criminals with multiple convictions for felonies out without bail -- how about a 76 year old guy getting grandfathered into the full frequency allocations he earned long ago? Who is a greater threat to society and "law and order"?
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K1FBI

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2022, 04:30:05 AM »

In my day we walked up hill (both ways) in snow and rain. We had to crap in an unheated outhouse and use leaves to wipe.
Blah, blah, blah....
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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2022, 05:00:27 AM »

In my day we walked up hill (both ways) in snow and rain. We had to crap in an unheated outhouse and use leaves to wipe.
Blah, blah, blah....

LOL. It's amazing how geology changes with the time of day and direction we walk!

Wait...unheated outhouse? You mean everyone doesn't have one? I am shocked!
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KA1LDD

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2022, 05:01:45 AM »

There is no such thing as General license band restrictions.  There are General Class license band privileges, just like there are Extra Class license privileges.
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K1FBI

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2022, 05:19:51 AM »

There is no such thing as General license band restrictions.  There are General Class license band privileges, just like there are Extra Class license privileges.
Well said!
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K1FBI

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2022, 05:22:40 AM »

In my day we walked up hill (both ways) in snow and rain. We had to crap in an unheated outhouse and use leaves to wipe.
Blah, blah, blah....

LOL. It's amazing how geology changes with the time of day and direction we walk!

Wait...unheated outhouse? You mean everyone doesn't have one? I am shocked!
It's true. You have no idea how good you had it.😁
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K4GTE

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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2022, 06:48:48 AM »

It's called incentive licensing. If you don't have the discipline or knowledge to upgrade , which is not that difficult, you really don't need the additional band privileges.
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Re: General license band restrictions - why do we need them?
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2022, 06:54:05 AM »

It makes no sense to me, but I don't have to live with it! Our more junior class of licence are limited in power, not frequency or mode - which seems to make car more sense

Martin G8FXC
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