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WA8NVW

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2021, 01:14:48 PM »

If I interpret your comments correctly, you want to hear the lowest level of 'noise power' audible in the earphones or speaker.  Sherwood reports do usually include measurements determining the level of noise generated by the receiver circuitry itself.  As soon as you connect an antenna you are at the mercy of the external RF noise environment, which includes both natural and man-made sources, the level of which should be the same for all receivers.  But having a quiet receiver does not guarantee you'll like the panel or display screen layouts, nor the menu structure needed to make an adjustment.  Let the buyer beware.
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N8FVJ

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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2021, 02:32:30 AM »

Never owned a transceiver with a poor mechanical layout or a bad menu. Priority is hearing the signal, who gives a damn about layout or menus. They still work.
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K7JQ

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2021, 05:01:00 AM »


 who gives a damn about layout or menus.


I do ;). Given the same antenna, today's radios will *hear* a signal, with varying degrees of selectivity and noise floor. Those in the same price range/class will be hard pressed to tell the difference in reception. Then it's a matter of operating convenience (layout/menus) and other features for your style of operating. I've operated radios in other's shacks that, to me, were logistical nightmares, and would never consider them for my shack. Personal preference.

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K0UA

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2021, 07:16:41 AM »


 who gives a damn about layout or menus.


I do ;). Given the same antenna, today's radios will *hear* a signal, with varying degrees of selectivity and noise floor. Those in the same price range/class will be hard pressed to tell the difference in reception. Then it's a matter of operating convenience (layout/menus) and other features for your style of operating. I've operated radios in other's shacks that, to me, were logistical nightmares, and would never consider them for my shack. Personal preference.

Bob K7JQ

I would agree. Some radios have a much better layout than others, and the items presented are context sensitive.
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N8FVJ

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2021, 10:47:45 AM »

Ordered a new Yaesu FTDX-10 today. On sale at Gigaparts for $1299.
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KH6AQ

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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2022, 04:57:35 PM »

Good deal! I bought my FTdx10 from Gigaparts in early December and paid $1399.

It does have a great receiver and was obtained to replace the IC-7300 that just wasn't doing a good enough job on weak signal CW. The FXdx10 is easy to operate and after setting it up I only go into the menu (FUNC button) for the MESSAGE function. I leave FUNC assigned to CW SPEED and the MPVD ring to CLAR RX. Everything else is right around the main tuning knob and invoking DNR, APF and dialing the RX bandwidth up/down is so quick.
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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2022, 05:26:55 AM »

It does have a great receiver and was obtained to replace the IC-7300 that just wasn't doing a good enough job on weak signal CW.

It is interesting! Are there signals that ft-10 can receive but ic-7300 cannot receive? What other transceivers did you compare?
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K7JQ

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2022, 06:49:09 AM »


It does have a great receiver and was obtained to replace the IC-7300 that just wasn't doing a good enough job on weak signal CW.

In what way? Are you referring to the APF function? Filtering? Sensitivity?

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N8FVJ

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2022, 10:17:18 AM »

ICOM IC-7300 has a good receiver if used in a quiet to average location. Receiver falls apart in noisy locations and others report the same. It is a noisy receiver to begin with, but operating the DNR on level 4 at all times quiets the receiver down to low noise. Also, not using RF gain at full gain. The IC-7300 was selling at $899 and was unbeatable at that price. However, it sells for $1249 now with the $100 mail in rebate. The FTDX-10 at $1299 is the better deal now and the low price was not a Xmas special. It is $1299 today (1-03-2022).

The IC-7300 was so good for the money at $899 it affected used transceiver prices that were lowered for a sale. That was serious performer for the price.
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KX2T

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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2022, 10:48:29 AM »

Its not that the Ten will our receive the 7300 its more how the Ten makes copying a weak CW signal in the noise better than the 7300 will. The twin PBT does OK but its a pita to work with on the fly over the shift and width controls, plus the APF in the 10 is every bit as good as the 7610 I owned. The notch is about the same but no menus to navigate cause the selectivity controls are right up front plus the contour is like Ice Cream on the cake for audio shaping. Also the 7300 has soo much front end gain which is not needed on any of the bands except maybe six meters were the Ten mas IMO a better design in this area giving you just enough gain in the front end and if you need more there are two pre amps.

The 7300 is a great radio for the price range but if you want the performance of a $3K radio for just a little above the 7300 the FTDX10 is an outstanding value, I have owned both and the Ten is top notch! 
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K0UA

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2022, 11:52:36 AM »

ICOM IC-7300 has a good receiver if used in a quiet to average location. Receiver falls apart in noisy locations and others report the same. It is a noisy receiver to begin with, but operating the DNR on level 4 at all times quiets the receiver down to low noise. Also, not using RF gain at full gain. The IC-7300 was selling at $899 and was unbeatable at that price. However, it sells for $1249 now with the $100 mail in rebate. The FTDX-10 at $1299 is the better deal now and the low price was not a Xmas special. It is $1299 today (1-03-2022).

The IC-7300 was so good for the money at $899 it affected used transceiver prices that were lowered for a sale. That was serious performer for the price.

https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=71-002065

The 7300 is still 999.95 after rebate today 1/4/2022 so a 300 dollar difference.


Whether the 10 is worth the $300 difference or not, mostly depends on two things, CW performance and preference for the Icom operating system. By all reports the 10 is the better CW rig. Personal opinion, is that I prefer the Icom operating system for ease of use. That includes ease of upgrades. But I can tell you this, if the Audio peaking filter that the 10 has and the 7300 does NOT have works as well as the one in the 7610 which I do have, then if you operate CW, it is worth it.

Not that I haven't made plenty of CW contacts with the 7300, but when it gets serious with low signal levels, I switch to the 7610 every time. The audio peaking filter is just that effective.

I frequent a tractor forum a lot. And these debates remind me a lot of the debates on the tractor forums about the preferences of the type of pedal activation of hydrostatic transmissions.

 You have basically two types. The single "treadle pedal" of Kubota and a few other brands, and then you have the "twin pedals" of the remainder.  The debates get very heated at times. And are about as productive as these "which brand of transceiver" rants over here on this forum.  I have owned tractors of each of these setups. You get used to the one you have pretty quickly. Although some have said they just could not get used to one or the other of them.

You don't want to get into the debate over R1 (agricultural type) tires VS. R4 (industrial type) tires. It goes on forever, and there just isn't a consensus or end to it. :)


OH, if anyone wants to know I have a Kioti branded tractor, with "twin pedals" with R4 industrial tires, and the trade in was a Kubota branded tractor with the "treadle pedal" and R4 tires. Just so you know where I stand.  :)

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N8FVJ

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Re: Transceiver Selection
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2022, 06:15:58 AM »

Off Subject: I am so lazy that I cut my .25 acre lawn with a 30" Cub Cadet rider. It has hydrostatic drive and one petal.
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