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W1VT

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Re: Apache Labs - ANAN 8000DLE Discontinued
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2021, 06:13:20 AM »

In fact, many 20 year old radios are still competitive with the new radios and are winning contests.

I had a beam and 1500W and should have been happy. Except for lacking the newest radio. After lifting the antennas to 100 ft and phasing beams, the world has changed, and I can hear stations that nothing could pick up from the mud before. I also bought a newest radio, and it made my life miserable despite no hardware problems.

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I was at a club station with antennas at 100ft.  We had vintage/economy Kenwood radios that were competitive against the latest and greatest contest stations because we had great antennas!  I remember spotting a JA on 80CW that really surprised everyone as my location was supposed to be too noisy to hear such things.

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AF6D

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Re: Apache Labs - ANAN 8000DLE Discontinued
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2021, 06:40:54 PM »

N2DTS, AF6D - it's just another piece of software called Cakewalk which has been around for decades. The use of software or hardware tools does not negate the need for a quality microphone such as and RE20. There are other pieces of software like Pro Tools that may be used as well. That's where one may use software like this to control the aspects of ham radio and the audio components through software. Since many of the controls are Interactive one would make a change in one area is and then get out of that screen and then over to another screen and make changes and then have to go back to the first screen and make changes. Once they're set they're set. But I don't want to rely on software. I have a lot of experience as well with audio/video production so it makes this topic native to me. I'm already familiar with the audio hardware. The one that may get me his RFI although I've never had our RFI on the shack before. Running software controls instead of Hardware would minimize this since the computer is built into the 7000 if you get it with the Mark II option.

Cakewalk: https://youtu.be/rQ7WvZqhgrM

Audio Setup: https://youtu.be/mMMwQIk5Kjs
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W9AC

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Re: Apache Labs - ANAN 8000DLE Discontinued
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2021, 08:45:37 AM »

Maybe I am wrong, but last I used one, the Anan radio software had some very good built in audio tools
like multi band compressors, noise gates, equalizers etc.

I don't think you even need a great microphone to sound great on those radio's.

Many great transmit tools including compressor, downward expander, CESSB, PureSignal APD, EER, CFC, tunable graphic EQ, phase scrambler for AM (aka phase rotator).  It's a full rack of pro audio processing in the software. 

My best guess is that there wasn't much demand for the 8000, at least in the U.S.  Just my opinion, but 200W is kind of a dumb marketing power level.  It requires much more current from the power supply, much beefier cooling, and for many of us, if we want 200W, then we'd rather just get to 500W, 1KW, or the legal limit from an external amp and reduce power from the transceiver.  It probably makes more sense to have an 8000 in countries where licensed output power is very limited.

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Re: Apache Labs - ANAN 8000DLE Discontinued
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2021, 10:36:40 AM »

W9AC,

You are correct it if using the Cakewalk software there are a lot of powerful plugins that can be used and then you can avoid rack-mount Hardware which may be a source of RFI. But that doesn't mean you can skimp on the microphone if you want pristine audio. That would be me and the RE20 is an excellent microphone. Maybe not gold plated like Rush Limbaugh had but an excellent mic.

As for the 200 watt power level, it's my understanding from reading that the unit was actually capable of 200-500 w but users were discouraged from running it at the 500 watt mark. I would disagree that 200 W is kind of a waste because of experiments my group down to 36 25 plays the game occasionally where we all turn our amps off and start at 100 Watts and work our way towards zero and see how low we can go - like limbo-and still have a readable signal. We found that we could easily get down to the 25 watt mark and our quad state coverage was still workable. Not armchair copy necessarily. But we could do it.

One real defining test that we had from the West Coast which covered Washington State, Oregon, California, Nevada, and Arizona oh, was it that time there was a echo link receiver online-based in Erie Pennsylvania. We would all turn our amps off and basically loaf along at a hundred Watts and see who has the best signal and to Erie Pennsylvania at roughly 10 p.m. Pacific time. What we found was that we can all hit it and there were two or three of us that were regularly the winner. I was regularly the winner. I have a nickname because of it. We see her rise from this that if more people operated with their amps off the noise level across the band would decrease.

Based upon those two anecdotal incidents I would respectfully disagree that running 100-200 w or maybe slightly more would be a waste. Your point however that some countries limit their OPs is a good one. I believe it's Australia or is it New Zealand that limits their Max output to 400w.
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Re: Apache Labs - ANAN 8000DLE Discontinued
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2021, 10:38:16 AM »

W9AC,

You are correct it if using the Cakewalk software there are a lot of powerful plugins that can be used and then you can avoid rack-mount Hardware which may be a source of RFI. But that doesn't mean you can skimp on the microphone if you want pristine audio. That would be me and the RE20 is an excellent microphone. Maybe not gold plated like Rush Limbaugh had but an excellent mic.

As for the 200 watt power level, it's my understanding from reading that the unit was actually capable of 200-500 w but users were discouraged from running it at the 500 watt mark. I would disagree that 200 W is kind of a waste because of experiments my group down to 36 25 plays the game occasionally where we all turn our amps off and start at 100 Watts and work our way towards zero and see how low we can go - like limbo-and still have a readable signal. We found that we could easily get down to the 25 watt mark and our quad state coverage was still workable. Not armchair copy necessarily. But we could do it.

One real defining test that we had from the West Coast which covered Washington State, Oregon, California, Nevada, and Arizona oh, was it that time there was a echo link receiver online-based in Erie Pennsylvania. We would all turn our amps off and basically loaf along at a hundred Watts and see who has the best signal and to Erie Pennsylvania at roughly 10 p.m. Pacific time. What we found was that we can all hit it and there were two or three of us that were regularly the winner. I was regularly the winner. I have a nickname because of it. We see her rise from this that if more people operated with their amps off the noise level across the band would decrease.

Based upon those two anecdotal incidents I would respectfully disagree that running 100-200 w or maybe slightly more would be a waste. Your point however that some countries limit their OPs is a good one. I believe it's Australia or is it New Zealand that limits their Max output to 400w.

Thank you for weighing in. Especially on your good points about using the software plugins rather than external hardware to tailor the audio. There's pros and cons both ways.
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