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K1VSK

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2021, 02:44:58 PM »

The guy using 100W into an end-fed wire at home, taking many months or years to achieve DXCC vs the guy that uses pay-for-play RHR to get DXCC in a week or two (or less) by just calling CQ DX with 1500W and stacked beams...like shooting fish in a barrel. Either one is "valid", but who feels the most accomplished?

Bob K7JQ



What if you spent your own money, built a remote station with 1500W and stacked beams and call CQ DX?
That is then YOUR station.
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K7JQ

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2021, 03:35:33 PM »

The guy using 100W into an end-fed wire at home, taking many months or years to achieve DXCC vs the guy that uses pay-for-play RHR to get DXCC in a week or two (or less) by just calling CQ DX with 1500W and stacked beams...like shooting fish in a barrel. Either one is "valid", but who feels the most accomplished?

Bob K7JQ

Interesting, Bob. In another thread, I saw the same postulation about those that use FT-8... I suppose the same question could be posed for those that use a keyboard to send CW instead of a key or bug... Or what about those that buy an antenna instead of making the antenna...

- Glenn W9IQ

I don't see the correlation, Glenn. I've been specifically talking about pay-for-play remote to achieve rewards in your own call sign. Mode or method of operation has nothing to do with it. If you buy an antenna, you still have to erect and tune it for maximum performance.

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K7JQ

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2021, 03:47:50 PM »

The guy using 100W into an end-fed wire at home, taking many months or years to achieve DXCC vs the guy that uses pay-for-play RHR to get DXCC in a week or two (or less) by just calling CQ DX with 1500W and stacked beams...like shooting fish in a barrel. Either one is "valid", but who feels the most accomplished?

Bob K7JQ

What if you have 1500W and stacked beams in your own backyard and call CQ DX?   

What if you spent your own money, built a remote station with 1500W and stacked beams and call CQ DX?

Your decision to do what you want with your OWN station that YOU designed in your backyard. Same thing with a remote station that you designed and own. I pointed that out in a previous post.

Again, I'm talking about using pay RHR for individual awards, not general operating. If you want to see what it's like to experience pile-ups using a loud station, go for it. But I question the authenticity of using it to pile up certificates and awards under your own call sign. Just my opinion.

Bob K7JQ
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W9IQ

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2021, 03:49:41 PM »

The guy using 100W into an end-fed wire at home, taking many months or years to achieve DXCC vs the guy that uses pay-for-play RHR to get DXCC in a week or two (or less) by just calling CQ DX with 1500W and stacked beams...like shooting fish in a barrel. Either one is "valid", but who feels the most accomplished?

Bob K7JQ

Interesting, Bob. In another thread, I saw the same postulation about those that use FT-8... I suppose the same question could be posed for those that use a keyboard to send CW instead of a key or bug... Or what about those that buy an antenna instead of making the antenna...

- Glenn W9IQ

I don't see the correlation, Glenn. I've been specifically talking about pay-for-play remote to achieve rewards in your own call sign. Mode or method of operation has nothing to do with it. If you buy an antenna, you still have to erect and tune it for maximum performance.

Bob K7JQ

If you narrowly separate paying someone else for the use of a station, I can see your point. Otherwise there are correlaries related to personal investment, time in the chair, operator skill, efficiency of modulation and demodulation, etc. Often these issues devolve into a competitive construct instead of a simple recognition of accomplishment.

- Glenn W9IQ
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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2021, 03:57:36 PM »

The guy using 100W into an end-fed wire at home, taking many months or years to achieve DXCC vs the guy that uses pay-for-play RHR to get DXCC in a week or two (or less) by just calling CQ DX with 1500W and stacked beams...like shooting fish in a barrel. Either one is "valid", but who feels the most accomplished?

Bob K7JQ



What if you spent your own money, built a remote station with 1500W and stacked beams and call CQ DX?
That is then YOUR station.

And people WB&M about guys with "200 foot towers and stacked antennas."    ::)

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KM1H

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2021, 03:58:53 PM »

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If you narrowly separate paying someone else for the use of a station, I can see your point. Otherwise there are correlaries related to personal investment, time in the chair, operator skill, efficiency of modulation and demodulation, etc. Often these issues devolve into a competitive construct instead of a simple recognition of accomplishment.

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W9IQ

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2021, 04:16:56 PM »

Your decision to do what you want with your OWN station that YOU designed in your backyard. Same thing with a remote station that you designed and own. I pointed that out in a previous post.

Again, I'm talking about using pay RHR for individual awards, not general operating. If you want to see what it's like to experience pile-ups using a loud station, go for it. But I question the authenticity of using it to pile up certificates and awards under your own call sign. Just my opinion.

What about a busy executive that is constantly traveling and is rarely at home so she hires the best amateur radio antenna guys to put up rotatable 4x4x4s on every HF band. Then she comes home once a month for a few hours and quickly achieves 7B DXCC within 6 months. Is that worthy, honest, with integrity, authentic, etc? How is that different than paying someone else for the use of their station?

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2021, 04:59:31 PM »

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What about a busy executive that is constantly traveling and is rarely at home so she hires the best amateur radio antenna guys to put up rotatable 4x4x4s on every HF band. Then she comes home once a month for a few hours and quickly achieves 7B DXCC within 6 months. Is that worthy, honest, with integrity, authentic, etc? How is that different than paying someone else for the use of their station?

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K1VSK

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2021, 05:18:24 PM »



What about a busy executive that is constantly traveling and is rarely at home so she hires the best amateur radio antenna guys to put up rotatable 4x4x4s on every HF band. Then she comes home once a month for a few hours and quickly achieves 7B DXCC within 6 months. Is that worthy, honest, with integrity, authentic, etc? How is that different than paying someone else for the use of their station?

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Now you’re just making stuff up to defend the indefensible.
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AC7CW

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2021, 05:54:15 PM »

Amazing that they can get business at those prices.

Competition could bring price down: How about an AirBnB setup with a lot of individual stations of all calibre, each setting their own prices and schedules.
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K1VSK

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2021, 07:08:41 PM »

Amazing that they can get business at those prices.

Competition could bring price down: How about an AirBnB setup with a lot of individual stations of all calibre, each setting their own prices and schedules.
Tiny market. No ROI.
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W9IQ

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2021, 04:51:14 AM »

Now you’re just making stuff up to defend the indefensible.

Well, Inspector Clouseau, they were all hypothetical questions.

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K7JQ

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2021, 07:26:14 AM »

Now you’re just making stuff up to defend the indefensible.

Well, Inspector Clouseau, they were all hypothetical questions.

- Glenn W9IQ

All hypothetical, yes. And not necessarily wrong, depending on one's personal point of view. But food for thought considering the relatively new concept of commercial pay-for-play remote ham radio super-stations when it comes to using them consistently to achieve awards and winning contests.
 
You're essentially paying  money for external "muscle" when you ordinarily wouldn't be able to achieve the same result with your own designed station on your own property. To me, an unfair advantage creating an unbalanced playing field between equally skilled operators. A different story if you *owned* a remote station that you designed and constructed (having professional tower construction doesn't matter...a safety and physical limitation many can't perform themselves). Take a world-class contester operating his own station with property location and antenna  restrictions vs his *paying* to operate a remote super-station in the same contest...guaranteed a huge difference in the score.

Just like there's different contest categories to ensure equal playing fields...single vs multi-op; high vs low power; assisted vs unassisted; tri-band vs wire antennas...perhaps the contest sponsors should consider another category like "commercial remote". Same thing with awards like DXCC, WAZ, etc.

I know it's just a hobby, but in the spirit of competition, skill-set, and achievement, maybe it's time for some rules and requirements to be revised.

Bob K7JQ

 
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K1VSK

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2021, 08:01:08 AM »

Now you’re just making stuff up to defend the indefensible.

Well, Inspector Clouseau, they were all hypothetical questions.

- Glenn W9IQ

Integrity isn’t hypothetical to most people. Join the club.
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KM1H

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Re: Cost to rent a remote station?
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2021, 08:06:29 AM »

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Integrity isn’t hypothetical to most people. Join the club.

Academics were never taught that.
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