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K6LCS

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NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« on: February 02, 2022, 08:05:57 AM »

NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific . ... in 2031.

Interesting reading ...

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-provides-updated-international-space-station-transition-plan

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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2022, 09:36:33 AM »

Clint (K6LCS):

Really?  An AMSAT ambassador concentrates on the most negative possibilites regarding the space station?  Sounds like the 6 o'clock news:

"30 year old wins $200 million in lottery and buys burial plot with proceeds in Heavenly Gardens cemetary.  No news at 11."

NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific . ... in 2031.Interesting reading ...
 https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-provides-updated-international-space-station-transition-plan

Maybe - because anything in that low an orbit will eventually reenter, anyway - might as well plan on controlling and guiding it into a safe entry area (as much as possible) for that eventual necessity.   But that's NOT the point of the article. 

What's MORE interesting (and what the article's about) is:  "The International Space Station is entering its third and most productive decade as a groundbreaking scientific platform in microgravity,", and  "The Biden-Harris Administration’s commitment to extend space station operations until 2030..." and "...is taking steps to ensure a successful transition of operations to commercial services." and "Today, with U.S. commercial crew and cargo transportation systems online, the station is busier than ever."  and  "NASA has entered into a contract for commercial modules to be attached to a space station docking port and awarded space act agreements for design of three free-flying commercial space stations."

Sounds like a pretty good future for the ISS to me.  And in the end, we're all destined to "hit the ground" when our useful days are over.  But not quite yet.  Lots to look forward to.

Perhaps you were just looking for a "straight man" to comment on the positive notes?

Brian - K6BRN

(Four decades as an engineer in the space industry, including work on ISS comms systems)
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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2022, 10:32:55 AM »

"Negative?" Your comment is ridiculous. Involved hams are still coming off the high of a successful ARISS contact just 24 hours ago, followed by the ISS firing up its crossband repeater for all. NASA and the ISS continue to inspire us all!

Long live NASA and the ISS!

Clint K6LCS

PS Have a problem with NASA's media releases? Give 'em a call ...

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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2022, 11:03:43 AM »

Clint (K6LCS):

"Negative?" Your comment is ridiculous.

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NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific . ...
  (Your HEADLINE quote that you apparently think is POSITIVE?)

Yes - I'm sure every astronaut and space industry worker loves to hear about the destruction of their work rather than the many positives in the article you shared the link to.  And, of course, this is a good thing, somehow, for AMSAT.

But no, it's not.  It's just a sensational headline to grab attention and focus it on negatives, intentional or not.

Rather than being defensive, I'd strongly suggest you think about what you are saying BEFORE you post it.  And I'm commenting on this because YOU list yourself as an "AMSAT Ambassador" in all your posts and emphasize this on your QRZ page.   That claim carries with it the obligation to actually BE one, and hopefully a GOOD one.  Remember that AMSAT roots lie in the workers and goodwill of the space industry.  And a LOT of us in that industry are hams.

Brian -  K6BRN





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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2022, 12:20:52 PM »

Catchy title and interesting read.
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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2022, 01:32:54 PM »

Had to get home to count ... But there are 45 - that's forty-five - slides
in my satellite presentations that honor the glory and history of the ISS.

More than 135 audiences have seen 'em.

No one can possibly come away thinking that the ISS isn't a phenomenal
learning and teaching experiment.

And so it goes ...

Clint K6LCS




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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2022, 03:47:04 PM »

Catchy title and interesting read.

Yes, the article IS an interesting read.  It's actual title is:

"NASA Provides Updated International Space Station Transition Plan"

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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2022, 04:05:43 PM »

Had to get home to count ... But there are 45 - that's forty-five - slides
in my satellite presentations that honor the glory and history of the ISS. "  Clint K6LCS

That's great - whatever presentation you're talking about.  But I'm commenting on your headline HERE on this thread and one-liner post HERE that really had nothing to do with actual article contents you pointed to.  The article itself was quite good while your attention grabbing byline was about crashing the ISS into the sea.

My suggestion was simply that you consider the key message(s) you are communicating before you post it online and visible to all, including many who have never, ever seen your previous presentations or packages - only your current post, under the signature line "AMSAT Ambassador".  I realize you wanted to attract attention - and you succeeded.  But there are far better and more positive ways to do it.

We all make mistakes - I'd just learn from it and move on.  Especially if you value the "Ambassador" badge.  But the learning part is important and either you do or you don't - that's entirely up to you.

Probably enough said on the topic.  Have a good day.

Brian - K6BRN

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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2022, 09:15:54 AM »

Hi Lauri:

And the article you provided the link to is actually about the ISS mission extension to 2030, which is good news - because it's planned decommisioning date was in 2020.  Very much at odds with the title.

Unfortunately, our journalists seem to have gotten into the habit of presenting the very best of news in the very worst possible (and misleading) light.  Apparently disaster sells and misleading headlines are great as long as they attract attention.

I was in CT in December and a newscaster was reporting on the "Major life-threatening rain and snowstorms in CA" with heavy emphasis on what a disaster it was going to be (it wasn't).  Then he did something unusual.  He paused, put down the script, looked directly into the camera and said something along the lines of:  "Well, California is in the middle of a serious drought and I suppose this is really going to help them out..."   His partner looked at him, raised an eyebrow and they went on with the show.  Good for the newscaster - he took the high ground - even if he had to take a chance and go off-script.  CA needed the rain and snow - badly.

Brian - K6BRN
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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2022, 09:30:23 AM »

Brian, lay off the caffeine man. You’re going to stroke out, relax.
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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2022, 01:29:07 PM »

Think of the great meteor like burn the ISS will give us as it travels through the atmosphere!  That should be good for a few 6m or 2m scatter QSOs!

73 John AF5CC
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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2022, 01:45:16 PM »

I'm sure every astronaut and space industry worker loves to hear about the destruction of their work...

Uh, which "astronaut and space industry worker" (in their right mind, obviously) has it in their brain that things that go into LEO are not very likely going to come out of LEO at some later date?

And I'd venture to say it's not "destruction" to deorbit the space station. It is a dignified return home for ISS after a lengthy and highly productive mission. NASA and its partners have done some incredible work that we all benefit from but nothing lasts forever. You'd think an educated person (I'm assuming here) would have figured that out by now.
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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2022, 06:20:24 PM »

Brian, lay off the caffeine man. You’re going to stroke out, relax.

Hi John (K1FBI):

Good advice - I think you're right!

Thanks,

Brian - K6BRN
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Re: NASA to Crash ISS into the Pacific ...
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2022, 07:43:34 PM »

Truth is that with the abundance of crap up there. The idea that they will being using a proactive approach to that problem and deorbiting the ISS is a GOOD thing in truth.  It really all depends on the optic that you take when you read this stuff. 

That being said, I have to agree with Brian on his view of this.  The first thing said on the post was when they were gonna crash the thing.  Not really a high note for the ISS.  But I suppose it's better than the fate of SkyLab which WAS sort of left to have orbit decay and then come down,,, everywhere.  I still remember the newspaper articles that showed people standing next to big chunks of it. 

Personally I think they need to fire up the arm on it and try to grab and stow as much 'space junk' as they can before bringing it down.  Again, this is a better option than putting it in a high orbit 'out of the way' and hoping it will just stay up there or float off into space some day.
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