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ZS1DX

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2022, 03:35:10 AM »

Please keep politics and religion out of our beautiful hobby.

73 Chris ZS1DX
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W2KG

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2022, 05:15:57 AM »

As reprehensible as Putin's attack on Ukraine is, we should keep in mind that Russian hams are just people like us who have NO SAY in Putin's decisions any more than we have a say in our government's actions.  Under any circumstances, it is deeply unjust to hold those people to be responsible for the actions of a dictatorial government.  Why isolate the Russian people or those of Belarus and Donbas any more than their governments already have done?
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KW4CQ

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2022, 05:24:35 AM »

According to official figures, over 70 percent of the Russian population still support Putin and his war in the Ukraine.  Its a question of misdirected nationalism over humility and common sense. 
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KV1P

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2022, 06:41:56 AM »

GLAD to see that ARRL have a pair of balls; the Russians are conducting WAR CRIMES for the world to see; maybe the girls here should put their BIG BOY PANTS on for a change of attitude!!!
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KO4JPZ

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2022, 07:13:27 AM »

The average Ham operator has little say about what their country leaders are doing or not doing.
I think it's safe to say several have lost relatives or their own life. Punishing them is like punishing a child for their neighbors actions.

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AC7CW

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2022, 07:52:34 AM »

Like it or not seems to me CQ Communications, Inc. is free to run their business as they please the same as sites like Eham.net, QRZ.com, and others can impose the restrictions that suit the site owners.

True 'dat but they are going against the spirit of the hobby. Typically Hams don't start wars so what's the point of cancelling them?
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KF7DS

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2022, 08:41:09 AM »

There is a thin line between neutrality and being complicit. Many of you who are 'neutral' should look to Switzerlands, Finland and Swedens actions. They get it.
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N6MST

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2022, 08:55:11 AM »

GLAD to see that ARRL have a pair of balls; the Russians are conducting WAR CRIMES for the world to see; maybe the girls here should put their BIG BOY PANTS on for a change of attitude!!!

What is the ARRL doing regarding Russia?

And there are almost 150 million Russians. You think 150 million people are "conducting WAR CRIMES for the world to see" huh? You sure are painting with a wide brush, friend.
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KV1P

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2022, 09:40:53 AM »

There is a thin line between neutrality and being complicit. Many of you who are 'neutral' should look to Switzerlands, Finland and Swedens actions. They get it.
  I guess that is why Sweden and Finland are requesting admission into NATO!
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K0AP

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2022, 10:21:41 AM »

GLAD to see that ARRL have a pair of balls; the Russians are conducting WAR CRIMES for the world to see; maybe the girls here should put their BIG BOY PANTS on for a change of attitude!!!

Maybe, for a change, you should change your diaper!!!
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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2022, 10:57:42 AM »

If this isn't over by the CQWW DX Contest it will eliminate three CQ zones that you couldn't work in the contest. Zone 16 (with the exception of Moldova), Zone 18 and Zone 19 because most of these zones are entirely in Russia.  Zone 17 is still possible because EX,EY,EZ,UK and UN are not counted as Russia.


Zone 16. Eastern Zone of Europe: EW (Belarus), ER (Moldova), UA1, UA2(except for RA2 and UA2-UI2), UA3. UA4,  UA5,UA6, UA7,UA9,UA9 (S,T,W), and UR (Ukraine).

Zone 17. Western Zone of Siberia: EX (Kirgizstan), EY (Tajikistan), EZ (Turkmenistan), UA8,9 (A, B,C,D, F, G, J. K, L, M, N, Q,R, X), UK (Uzbekistan), UN (Kazakhstan).

Zone 18. Central Siberian Zone: UA8,9 (H,I,O,P,U, V,Y,Z),
 and UAO (A, B, H, O,R, S,T, U,V, W)

Zone 19. Eastern Siberian Zone: UA0 (C, D, F, I, J, K, L, Q, X, Z)

I hate that CQ is getting so political. It's terrible what's happening in Ukraine but stations in Russia (who might not support what's on) are being punished for something that's not their fault.

Jeff
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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2022, 11:19:38 AM »

I sure hope the ARRL and IARU don't follow suit and screw up their contests as well.
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K0UA

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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2022, 11:37:57 AM »

Well one thing for sure is that these measures have certainly gone a long way towards dividing the Amateur community against itself.

I got an education in this on another thread where I tried to make people support their position with logic, in other words "baited" or as some said I "trolled" them to get them to state their position and why.
This quickly turned into a divisive argument with some on one side and some on the other side just like this thread. I do think we could ALL (or almost all) agree that what the state of Russia is doing to Ukraine is wrong on so many levels, but we cannot agree as to whether individual Russian and Byelorussian hams are responsible for this whether they do or do not support V. Putin.

 Some will state that we must do "something". Others like myself see doing "something" is symbolism over substance. I postulated that doing "something" is actually doing "nothing" And is a feckless, powerless gesture.

 Now if I was a Ukrainian in Ukraine right now, would I be killing Russians? Yes I most certainly would, and I would be killing as many of them as I possibly could. And I would not ask if they were licensed hams or not either.

 There has already been known licensed Ukrainians killed in the defense of their country, and it would not surprise me if there were licensed Russian hams killed as well.

My point is that these topics are serious issues, serious as life and death, serious as warfare, serious as the possibility of a world wide war. But on the flip side of that, the expression of dissatisfaction with a states action by a feeble ineffective protest from several thousands of miles away  will have no positive effect on the situation.

 All you could hope for is the hardening of a few individuals position that the "west" is picking on them as "easterners" and perhaps make them support their nations position with even more fervor. And leading to years of "goodwill" if there ever was such a thing being dropped into the toilet.

The one thing Amateur radio has tried to do over decades is to foster goodwill and peace. One could argue about its effectiveness in doing that, but I don't think anyone could argue that these sorts of actions taken by contest committees or DX spotting or station lookup services are doing anything to unify Amateurs. These actions have divided us here in the US in almost a 50 50 split already just like this thread has done.
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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2022, 11:49:48 AM »

I support the right to express an opinion.  Agreement is not a prerequisite.
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Re: Russia, Belarus, and Donbas stations nixed from CQ contests
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2022, 11:52:57 AM »

I don't think anyone could argue that these sorts of actions taken by contest committees or DX spotting or station lookup services are doing anything to unify Amateurs.

100% correct. Virtue signaling at it's finest.
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