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W4AEG

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Ham radio stuck on Windows
« on: April 08, 2022, 05:06:46 PM »

Why is ham radio so geared for Windows?  Macs are neglected and anyone knows that once you go Mac you never want to go back.
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K4PIH

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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2022, 06:03:13 PM »

Don't count all of us amateurs in that group.
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W7XTV

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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2022, 06:18:17 PM »

Why is ham radio so geared for Windows?  Macs are neglected and anyone knows that once you go Mac you never want to go back.

Yeah, Macs are great.  I use mine to run Linux inside VirtualBox, and it works fantastic.  It'll run every ham and engineering program I need, including some Windows-only stuff via WINE.

As a Mac, it's a 2012-vintage unit, EOL per Apple and can't be updated, so it's pretty useless other than as a host for VirtualBox.  Besides, I really hate its GUI.
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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2022, 07:38:55 PM »

Why is ham radio so geared for Windows?  Macs are neglected and anyone knows that once you go Mac you never want to go back.

I think the question is why do programmers seem to write for the Windows platform vs. the Mac platform, right?  According to a Google search, 87.56% of the businesses use a Windows OS.  So it makes sense that the vast majority of developers are comfortable in delivering software intended to run on a Windows platform.  I was a software analyst integrator for the largest electric utility in Arizona and we were a Microsoft shop.  And yes, I wrote a voice keying program because I couldn't find one I liked....and yes, it was written to run on a PC.   
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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2022, 08:48:22 PM »

What N7QJP said!! Programmers can spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours developing and debugging a program and with that investment in time I would want the largest audience for my effort, which is Windows OS. I started in the business running DOS and CP/M, where was Linux then? Actually IBM wrote an OS that, IMO, was superior to Windows OS....can anyone name that OS....the IBM OS was what Windows should have been.

Since its inception, I've always run Linux on a dedicated pc and if a ham friend mentions installing Linux cuz its "free" and he hates Bill Gates I wish them well, good luck, then change my phone number.....HI HI

By-the-way, the Linux app wine sucks......

GL/73
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K3RS

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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2022, 10:09:42 PM »

The IBM operating system was called OS2 Warp. I installed it on my PC back then (It came on 20+ floppy disks) and checked it out. I was able to simultaneously format disks in each of my floppy drives and do online email at the same time.  It's multi tasking capabilities were awesome.

I agree with K6SDW, it had many features that Windows did not have at that time.

73, Bob K3RS
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2022, 03:14:28 AM »

Years ago, I learned people do at home what they do at work. Almost every major I. T. department Is using pc s on windows first and Linux second in their data centers. And yes, developers write for the largest audience.
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KG4RUL

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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2022, 05:16:28 AM »

Desktop & Laptop Computers Operating Systems

73% - Windows
16% - IOS
8%   - Linux
3%   - Anything else
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K3XR

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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2022, 05:34:03 AM »

Why is ham radio so geared for Windows?  Macs are neglected and anyone knows that once you go Mac you never want to go back.
I would think the marketplace has something to do with it.  If it were the other way around we would be asking why Windows is so neglected. The important thing is you have a choice...pick the one you like.
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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2022, 05:40:10 AM »

The availability of refurbished industrial computers with Windows O/S makes it the low cost option.  They come built in with legacy RS-232 ports that are useful with ham applications that haven't migrated to USB.
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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2022, 04:32:51 PM »

First, choose the applications that best meet your needs.

Second, choose the operating system that best supports the applications you've chosen

Third, choose the hardware that best supports the applications and operating system you've chosen.

Holding my nose and descending into the operating system discussion, if Apple's desktop cost-benefit ratio is so good relative to its competition, why is it's market share of desktop computing so poor?

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W7XTV

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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2022, 05:17:43 PM »

The availability of refurbished industrial computers with Windows O/S makes it the low cost option.  They come built in with legacy RS-232 ports that are useful with ham applications that haven't migrated to USB.

That's great if the refurbished PC has Windows 10 or 11 installed.  Everything Win8 and earlier has been EOL for years, and should not be used.

Does Windows 11 even support such legacy hardware as COM and LPT ports?  I know 10 does, but having never used 11, I have no idea.
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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2022, 06:52:58 PM »

First, choose the applications that best meet your needs.

Second, choose the operating system that best supports the applications you've chosen

Third, choose the hardware that best supports the applications and operating system you've chosen.

Holding my nose and descending into the operating system discussion, if Apple's desktop cost-benefit ratio is so good relative to its competition, why is it's market share of desktop computing so poor?

de AA6YQ

And that's the answer to the age old question, "What kind of computer should i buy?"
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KX4OM

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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2022, 08:34:55 PM »

Macintosh PCs have been designed from the very beginning of the brand for maximum usability. After Steve Jobs' departure from Apple and return from NeXT, he began re-engineering the Mac. The Darwin operating system was based on NeXT, Apple pieces, and primarily BSD Unix, although some disagree if that particular Unix was "real" UNIX. Apple did have a separate server product line, but it was eventually absorbed into the desktop product line with server administration capability, still available for a small price from the Apple Store.

It is obvious that macOS is tightly wound as a reliable desktop product, needing very little in the way of administrative involvement compared to Windows, Linux, BSD, RISC-v and other operating systems. Linux is capable of running world-class supercomputers such as Summit at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (RedHat Enterprise), many thousands of web server storage installations and switching equipment, home file servers (my current Ubuntu 20.04 Server minimum distribution,) and my various Linux distributions that I play with and test on my Windows 10  laptop's virtual machine (VirtualBox) installation. I have 3 to 5 installed at any given time on VirtualBox, along with Windows XP for compatibility with some ham radio stuff. What can be said as applies to Linux is generally applicable to FreeBSD (both have strong similarity to UNIX), and FreeBSD has a good niche in home NAS units. From time to time, I dedicate a standalone Linux installation (I like Linux Mint on the desktop) to a spare desktop or laptop. This four year old Windows 10 laptop is destined for Linux at Windows 10 EOL in 2025. Some people run VirtualBox on their Linux distro's desktop, with old or new Windows-whatever either sandboxed and isolated or free to run on the internet inside.

With reference to amateur radio applications on Linux, it is easier to develop those applications from a software engineering standpoint. The detail required from underlying structure is more evident in Linux. The code editors, languages and compilers are built in or available. The Linux operating system is open source; Windows and macOS are very closed source. In Linux, every process, every piece to run system code is available from source, including the kernel. Some distros, like Debian, champion all free code, while most support non-free contributing applications. There are some exceptions: At the heart of the boot code required for Raspberry Pi OS to run the SBC's hardware, there is a closed-source binary blob; some people don't like that for some reasons.

While Mac devotees are typically described as "happy" and very "loyal" (compared to Windows users), Linux folks are described sometimes as "smug", but they mostly consider themselves as "free" and "innovative". Sort of like amateur radio aficionados do.

Ted, KX4OM
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Re: Ham radio stuck on Windows
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2022, 01:19:03 AM »


Does Windows 11 even support such legacy hardware as COM and LPT ports? 

Yes.
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