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IW5CWC

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"One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« on: April 19, 2022, 01:57:02 AM »

It happened to me sometime that my QSOs are rejected by the partner station (e.g. on eqsl) since not in his log. The same happened to me once when I was prompted to confirm a QSO which was not in my log.
Why? Maybe if due to QRM or QSB or other reason the last message with the 73 is sent by one station but not received by the other? Actually operating always QRP it happens sometime to see my partner sending R73 again and again although I already have the QSO in my log.
Is there a way to record whole content of each QSO i.e. whatever is displyed in the right window? It could help for debug...
TNX
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N1IG

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2022, 04:17:22 AM »

unless it has been deleted, there is a file in the log directory called "ALL.TXT".  I often go back and check that to see if a QSO/partial QSO took place.

The file contents should look something like this:


220413_093330     3.573 Rx FT8     11  0.4 1297 N1IG KC1BUF FN43
220413_093346     3.573 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1251 KC1BUF N1IG +11
220413_093400     3.573 Rx FT8     11  0.3 1297 N1IG KC1BUF R-09
220413_093415     3.573 Tx FT8      0  0.0 1297 KC1BUF N1IG RR73
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WO7R

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2022, 09:54:57 AM »

There are two factors at play here:

1.  The other party forgot to log you.  This does happen sometimes.  An email to them asking them to examine their "ALL.TXT" file often gets you the QSO in their log.  N1IG shows how the log typically looks.

2.  Different stations have different standards on what "complete" means.  Most of us adopt (even for HF) the VHF standard that in FT8 terms works like this:  Once both stations have received and sent an "R" message, they are entitled to log it.  The trailing 73 is optional.

A few stations will log based on a single exchange.  Many more insist on seeing the trailing 73 or RR73 before they will log.  But most follow #2.

So this exchange:

CQ W1HAM FN42
.... W1HAM K1HAM EN35
K1HAM W1HAM -03
.... W1HAM K1HAM R-05
K1HAM W1HAM RR73

or even   K1HAM W1HAM RRR

. . . may be regarded as complete.  W1HAM should log this QSO.  However, if K1HAM does not hear the RR73, then K1HAM may not log the QSO. 

To be sure of it, W1HAM should look for the trailing 73.  Alternatively, if the W1HAM K1HAM R-05 message repeats, then W1HAM needs to resend the RR73 message because K1HAM certainly did not log it in that case.

However, even when K1HAM gives W1HAM nothing more than the R-xx message, in the vast majority of cases, both parties did log the QSO and by ancient VHF standards (again, now widely adopted on HF) this is a valid QSO, if a little ambiguous for W1HAM (but not for K1HAM in that case).
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IW5CWC

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2022, 11:35:33 PM »

Thanks all, loud and clear.  :D

When you say "Different stations have different standards on what "complete" means" does it mean the WJST-X can be configured to work in one or the other way? Since when logging is determined by the SW itself (at least in my case, with default configuration), changing how it works should require changing some setting somewhere, I presume...

Moreover, in my configuration I send RRR and not R73 as most others do. How can the R73 be obtained? Again I presume it should be configurabile, I don't think all those who use R73 are sending a custom string at the end of each QSO (although this would be in principle possible if I understand).

TNX!

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WA8NVW

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2022, 01:51:11 PM »

Note that the alternate message for RRR is RR73.  R73 would be a valid reception report for a signal that is 73 dB above the receive noise.  In WSJTx you should be able to click on the RRR message box to change it to RR73.  The message will return to the original RRR when you quit and restart. 
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WO7R

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2022, 09:31:20 AM »

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When you say "Different stations have different standards on what "complete" means" does it mean the WJST-X can be configured to work in one or the other way?

No, but individual stations can make one-at-a-time decisions of what to actually log.  You can configure to prompt you to log (most do) or you can turn it off and log it entirely by hand.  Either way, it is operator choice for when -- and whether -- to log.
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WO7R

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2022, 09:34:10 AM »

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The message will return to the original RRR when you quit and restart.

My version of the code remembers where I last left Tx4 "toggled" -- whether RRR or RR73 -- when I restart the code.

There are recommendations in the WSJT-X manual on when to use which one as I recall, but most people just set it to one or the other and leave it the same for all.   RR73 is meant to signal the other fellow they don't "have to" send 73 -- they can go on to the next guy instead if they wish.
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IW5CWC

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2022, 04:12:28 AM »

Well my version allows to customize the Tx5 message but not the Tx4 one, this is why I initially asked. I didn't find a way to customize the Tx4... am I missing something?
Same behavior on the Windows and the Raspbian versions... (the latter is the one I regularly use since most often working /P).

P.S: I took a screenshot but cannot attach to the post, is there a way to do? Never did on this forum. The section "attachment and other options" in the edit panel just below the text input frame actually just contains "notify me of replies" "don't use smileys" and "return to this topic" toggle switches, nothing to attach a file...
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W4HRL

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Re: "One way" QSOs and WSJT-X"verbose" logging
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2022, 10:08:37 AM »

IW5CWC asked "Well my version allows to customize the Tx5 message but not the Tx4 one, this is why I initially asked. I didn't find a way to customize the Tx4... am I missing something?"

Greetings - Try double right hand clicking the "Tx 4" box down in the message section.  This will toggle Tx 4 between RRR and RR73.

Once toggled either way, that choice will stay selected even when you exit WSJT-X and then return.

W4HRL
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