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AJ4G

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Beware of NN3V
« on: June 23, 2022, 07:25:23 PM »

This seller posted a radio on eham.net for a super price, I sent him a message saying I would buy it, and give me the shipping cost.  The next day he sent me a email that stated that is was still for sale
and what was my zip code for shipping.  I answered him with my zip code. Then I get a email that
stated it was sold to another person and I was not the first, so why did he state it was still for sale
and wanted my zip code for shipping cost, he stated that it has been sold to another person that make him a better offer. Sellers should not put a fixed price on something and them auction it off
for a higher price.  Eham should ban sellers like this.

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GRUMPY2021

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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2022, 04:28:32 AM »

Kind of crappy I admit but (negating what I just said)... I'm assuming that's for the FT-100DR/DE for $80.   Pretty cheap for a discontinued radio.  It's been mobile for 4 years so that's really a realistic price.  But let's just play this out.   You want it. Yes it's for sale give me your zip.   Now we don't know how long of time lapses between this conversation but the deal isn't final until you pay.   LOTS of times I see relisted because the buyer backs out.  Now in walks Billy-Bob from the local Ham Club, you know the one "short time no comment"... he comes in and says  " A FT-100DR/DE YAYZOO!  I've been lookin' fer one of those forever!  How much".... "well it was $80".... "Oh NN3V  I willl gladly give you $200 cash right now for it."

Now tell me what you would do?   Remember everything up until payment isn't a contract.   Always more to the story that we never know.   
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W9FIB

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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2022, 05:05:21 AM »

If you think that is bad, try getting around people that place bids with only 1 second left to bid. But I digress...

It is a simple rule. The first one that puts up the cash in a for sale ad wins. I know I wouldn't turn down an actual sale for the possibility of a sale.
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GRUMPY2021

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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2022, 06:29:10 AM »

"If you think that is bad, try getting around people that place bids with only 1 second left to bid. But I digress..."

Simple..just put in a higher max bid so they can't catch you.   Very easy to "get around" really.    Been doing that on Ebay since they sold live chickens but I digress.
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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2022, 08:11:05 AM »

Sellers should not put a fixed price on something and them auction it off
for a higher price.  Eham should ban sellers like this.[/quote

Money talks BS  walks. I think EHAM should ban whinners , especially those with just one post. If I were NN3V, you would receive a phone call from Ben Dover, my lawyer at Dewey Cheatum & Howe for an attitude adjustment.
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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2022, 09:15:46 AM »

BC,
 Now that’s funny, and I do agree with you.
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AC2EU

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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2022, 09:29:45 AM »

I think the saying "You snooze you lose" may also apply here.   ;D ::)

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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2022, 01:29:41 PM »

.....try getting around people that place bids with only 1 second left to bid. But I digress...

I actually did that by accident one day. Was watching the auction out of curiosity and half-heartedly tossed a bid at the last second - literally - and saw that the item had sold. I shrugged, closed the browser tab and went on doing other things. Came back a few minutes later to see how much it sold for, and surprise!!!. I was the buyer!!.   
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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2022, 07:17:09 PM »

LZR,
 That’s what they do on Shipping Wars on TV
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W9FIB

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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2022, 07:14:17 AM »

"If you think that is bad, try getting around people that place bids with only 1 second left to bid. But I digress..."

Simple..just put in a higher max bid so they can't catch you.   Very easy to "get around" really.    Been doing that on Ebay since they sold live chickens but I digress.

Already bid what my max will be. Just one of those annoying moments. But then again, I stopped watching. So I won't need to be annoyed. If I win, great. If I don't, means it went for more than I am willing to pay. A case of patience learned.
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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2022, 12:59:56 PM »

Maybe somewhat “unethical” of him to string you along, but there was no financial loss or fraud here, just your opinion of how it was handled and your annoyance. IMO, best kept to yourself rather than posting on “buyer beware”.
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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2022, 09:36:20 PM »

I'm going to take a different tack and empathize with the OP, and support the value of his post.  While I don't think eHam has any real role to play in this, it's useful to advise future buyers of a seller's track record of enabling gazumping.  We've all had our ethics tested in financial transactions large and small and, if you choose to behave poorly, expect to be called out.  My observation is that, sadly, the stakes often don't have to be high to yield a valid test of character.

73, Peter.
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W9FIB

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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2022, 06:40:21 AM »

I'm going to take a different tack and empathize with the OP, and support the value of his post.  While I don't think eHam has any real role to play in this, it's useful to advise future buyers of a seller's track record of enabling gazumping.  We've all had our ethics tested in financial transactions large and small and, if you choose to behave poorly, expect to be called out.  My observation is that, sadly, the stakes often don't have to be high to yield a valid test of character.

73, Peter.

I would agree with you had the op not hesitated in making the transaction. But he did. So, I really don't see how ethics are questionable if more than 1 person is interested and one of them makes the transaction before the other.

Really either person being the second in a deal can be disappointing. I just don't see how it is an ethics issue. To say the seller is bad based on competing timelines of 2 different buyers just makes no sense to me.

At a swapfest it happens a lot. You walk through and see something you're interested in but does not buy it right away for any of a million reasons. And when you return, it is gone. Is that really the sellers fault? Was the seller really unethical by accepting a deal with someone who said he will buy it? If the answer is yes, well put me in the category of poor ethics. Someone hands me cash, it is sold!
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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2022, 07:51:15 AM »

Where was the delay? The OP undertook to buy the unit and asked for a shipping cost to allow the transaction to be completed; the seller confirms the unit is still available and requests a post code, which the OP promptly supplies.  What more could he have done?

If the seller had no intention of a sale involving shipping he should have made that clear at the outset and not engaged with the OP.  Once he began a process it should have been completed in good faith.  Poor ethics, indeed.
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Re: Beware of NN3V
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2022, 02:57:08 AM »

Where was the delay? The OP undertook to buy the unit and asked for a shipping cost to allow the transaction to be completed; the seller confirms the unit is still available and requests a post code, which the OP promptly supplies.  What more could he have done?

If the seller had no intention of a sale involving shipping he should have made that clear at the outset and not engaged with the OP.  Once he began a process it should have been completed in good faith.  Poor ethics, indeed.

Let's just agree we disagree. First cash wins every time in my book unless there was a verbal contract. Asking about shipping is not a contract cause if the shipping is too much, they may reject the deal. That was the delay by my estimation.

As for the other paying more...well isn't that the prerogative of the other buyer to do to make sure he gets the sale? And I should turn down the deal because he offers more then asked?
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