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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2022, 04:13:57 PM »

The FTdx-10:
RMDR 116
BDR 141
IMDR 109
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2022, 04:17:23 PM »

The 101:
RMDR 123
BDR 150
IMDR 110
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G8FXC

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2022, 03:56:56 AM »

The ones Yaesu is saying.
If you look at their web site and look at the info for each radio, they list various specs.
The 710:
RMDR +113
BDR +127
IMDR +102

The same things are higher on the 10 and higher still on the 101.

So Yaesu says the 710 is not as good as the 10.

Hard to tell where it will be on the Sherwood list, but below the 10 for sure.

The differences are small - probably too small to notice without access to decent lab equipment such as Mr.Sherwood uses - but it is certainly true that the 710 is not an improvement on the FTdx10. The ergonomics do look to be a bit better, but that does not seem like sufficient justification to run up another production line. In marketing terms, it is rather strange.

Martin (G8FXC)
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K7JQ

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2022, 06:16:46 AM »

It’s hard to tell Yaesu’s rationale for having two current HF radios $100 apart. IMO, comparing the receiver specs is paralysis by analysis…not enough for the human ear to differentiate, even including the 101D. One is not going to get you more Q’s over another.

But, tongue in cheek, Yaesu LOVES acronyms. We all know what AESS means…Acoustic Enhanced Speaker System. For $100 less than the FTDX-10, they’re throwing in an external speaker, which usually would cost you a bloated $200 extra. Even the model number is significant. They left out the “DX” designation on the 710, meaning the radio is not designed to work DX…only domestic Q’s ;). They added a “7” in front of the “10”, whatever that means.

I think the Yaesu design engineers and marketing department were smoking something strange with this one. Maybe in the final analysis they’re just going to throw both radios against the wall, and see which one sticks ::).
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K0UA

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2022, 06:30:32 AM »

It’s hard to tell Yaesu’s rationale for having two current HF radios $100 apart. IMO, comparing the receiver specs is paralysis by analysis…not enough for the human ear to differentiate, even including the 101D. One is not going to get you more Q’s over another.

But, tongue in cheek, Yaesu LOVES acronyms. We all know what AESS means…Acoustic Enhanced Speaker System. For $100 less than the FTDX-10, they’re throwing in an external speaker, which usually would cost you a bloated $200 extra. Even the model number is significant. They left out the “DX” designation on the 710, meaning the radio is not designed to work DX…only domestic Q’s ;). They added a “7” in front of the “10”, whatever that means.

I think the Yaesu design engineers and marketing department were smoking something strange with this one. Maybe in the final analysis they’re just going to throw both radios against the wall, and see which one sticks ::).

Bob, you may be on to something there. :)

I was guessing that the 710 would be a lower priced radio to go against the highly successful, but getting long in the tooth 7300.  BUT if they are going to price it near the FTDX-10 then I don't see the point. It SHOULD be priced under $1000 to gain market share against the 7300. Oh, well.  We don't run the marketing departments at Yaesu or anywhere else I guess. And I don't see the benefit of bundling the speaker with it either if that raises the price. Yeah, like you I don't "get it".  Maybe others will. I don't know.
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2022, 11:09:03 AM »

Can anyone guess why they would have two A/D converters both feeding into the FPGA?
Normally that would be for two receivers.
The 7300 has one A/D converter that feeds the FPGA.
The FTdx 10 has two A/D converters that feed the FPGA.
The FTDX101d has two A/D converters.
The FTDX101mp has four A/D converters and two FPGA's.

So why does Icom need one A/D converter and Yaesu needs two?



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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2022, 04:24:01 AM »

So why does Icom need one A/D converter and Yaesu needs two?

Maybe for the 3D display functionality?
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2022, 06:44:44 AM »

The 7300 only needs one A/D converter and it has a nice (better) display...
I really dislike the 3d thing....
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G8FXC

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2022, 12:25:53 PM »

The 7300 only needs one A/D converter and it has a nice (better) display...
I really dislike the 3d thing....

I thought that the 3D scope was a gimmick until I bought an FTdx101D - now I am a convert and hardly ever use the 2D scope.

Martin (G8FXC)
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NY7Z

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2022, 03:18:54 PM »

It’s hard to tell Yaesu’s rationale for having two current HF radios $100 apart. IMO, comparing the receiver specs is paralysis by analysis…not enough for the human ear to differentiate, even including the 101D. One is not going to get you more Q’s over another.

I think the Yaesu design engineers and marketing department were smoking something strange with this one. Maybe in the final analysis they’re just going to throw both radios against the wall, and see which one sticks ::).

Bob, you may be on to something there. :)

I was guessing that the 710 would be a lower priced radio to go against the highly successful, but getting long in the tooth 7300.  BUT if they are going to price it near the FTDX-10 then I don't see the point. It SHOULD be priced under $1000 to gain market share against the 7300. Oh, well.  We don't run the marketing departments at Yaesu or anywhere else I guess. And I don't see the benefit of bundling the speaker with it either if that raises the price. Yeah, like you I don't "get it".  Maybe others will. I don't know.

I was all set to get the 710 until I saw the price.  All early indications were that it would be priced at $999 dropping another hundred or so.  The initial price in Japan is $900 and in Europe it's £916.66 (GB) or €999 (EU) excluding tax.  The $999 price in the US would have been in line with the other markets.  I guess Yaesu figures the American market is full of rich hams who don't mind overpaying.  They do run a business and need to maximize profits, I get that.

I like the idea of this radio, an updated replacement of the FT-450.  It'd be great for portable operations, for instance.  Maybe next year I'll have one in my camp or on my boat.  That'll give 'em some time to work the inevitable bugs out with firmware upgrades ... and include averaging for the scope ... 
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K0UA

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2022, 05:27:22 PM »

It may very well be under $1000 soon.  Remember most "new" rigs are highly inflated price wise until the "gotta have the latest thing" guys are mostly served, and then they sell to the rest of the gang.
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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2022, 06:11:24 PM »

It may very well be under $1000 soon.  Remember most "new" rigs are highly inflated price wise until the "gotta have the latest thing" guys are mostly served, and then they sell to the rest of the gang.

Yep.  Looks like they addressed the ergonomic issues, and some of the menu issues as well, from the FTDX-10, which is a very good thing.  For those of us who plan to operate on battery power, being able to operate at reduced voltages would be great.  I see the makings of a really good field portable radio if they can get the basics right.  Fingers crossed.
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #72 on: September 18, 2022, 06:56:42 PM »

I want to know if it improves anything over the FTdx 10.
BDR from 150 to 127 is a big jump from the 101...
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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2022, 12:42:25 AM »


For those of us who plan to operate on battery power, being able to operate at reduced voltages would be great.  I see the makings of a really good field portable radio if they can get the basics right.  Fingers crossed.
Except they quote 1.8A (no signal) and 2.2A (receiving), which is going to drain your battery at quite a rate.

73 Dave
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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #74 on: September 19, 2022, 08:55:29 AM »

I happened to have the specs on the 7300 near by, The receive on stand by is  .9A and at max audio 1.25A  max current draw 21.0A.
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