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N5PG

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2022, 09:23:28 PM »

Just a note for those comparing prices, the FT710 at $1299 is "list" price whereas the FTDX10 is $1699 (list) and just happens to have had various promotions for months. I paid $1399 for my '10 last March and they were a tad less than that last Christmas.
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2022, 06:34:09 PM »

I picked up an FTdx-10 on Monday and its a small radio.
The 710 is even smaller so it must be a very small radio.
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AE5X

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2022, 05:14:36 AM »

The 710 is even smaller so it must be a very small radio.

That's what initially attracted me to it: as a small, 100W POTA, travel or home radio w/o the excessive menus of the FT-891. If future rebates bring it down to <$1000, I'll buy one.
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KX2T

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2022, 09:04:03 AM »

Can anyone guess why they would have two A/D converters both feeding into the FPGA?
Normally that would be for two receivers.
The 7300 has one A/D converter that feeds the FPGA.
The FTdx 10 has two A/D converters that feed the FPGA.
The FTDX101d has two A/D converters.
The FTDX101mp has four A/D converters and two FPGA's.

So why does Icom need one A/D converter and Yaesu needs two?

First off if you follow the block diagram for the Yaesu FTDX10, FTDX101D/MP they both have two A/D converters one is for the normal signal path from the 9mhz IF from the roofing filters and the last mixers IF stage then it is fed to the A/D then FPGA then to the DSP stage. Then the other A/D is for the display which is fed a signal before the roofing filters and the mixer so you can look at 1Mhz in the display if you like but does not show you any effects of the controls such as notch, bandwidth, shift and so on but Yaesu places sub displays to show you these controls actions. The MP version has two superhet front end boards and two VC tune units but does not have 4 A/D's and still only one FPGA, the D version has two superhet front ends but only one VC tune unit for the main RX, they both share the same A/D's, FPGA and DSP sections.
The Icom is a true SDR not a hybrid design so there display is generated by the FPGA and in there 7610 there are two A/D for dealing with the two RX sections.
There is not enough info on the 710 but it seems on paper to be like a 7300 with some nice add on's but small display at 4.3" but agree the price should be at the $1K mark. The FTDX10 is an amazing radio for the price, may not have every feature that you need for being an SWL RX but for the amateur bands it tops a bunch of rigs if you can appreciate its top performance design.
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #79 on: September 21, 2022, 10:25:15 AM »

That makes sense, the 8 MHz IF would not support the scope.
The catalog block diagram does not show the roofing filters or even the 8 MHz IF....
I suppose the big difference between the 10 and the 710 is the conversion to 8 MHz in the 10 and the use of  14 bit A/D converters without an IF filter in the 710.
Can the 710 be as good as the 7300? Does not seem likely.

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #80 on: September 21, 2022, 11:12:44 AM »

Can anyone guess why they would have two A/D converters both feeding into the FPGA?
Normally that would be for two receivers.
...

I'm guessing that it is a direct conversion zero-if configuration - rather like the SDRPlay range of receivers.

Martin (G8FXC)


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AF5CC

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2022, 02:14:31 PM »

It looks like it is about the size of the FT450D, just 1 inch deeper and 1/2 inch wider.  That should make for a nice compact radio.  Plus it has the built in soundcard and bandscope.  Should be a great radio when it gets to less than $1000.  I sure like my FT450AT.

73 John AF5CC
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IW5CWC

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2022, 02:40:03 PM »

It does exist!
https://youtu.be/4zhSieT_CGQ
but still in backorder  :(
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2022, 06:29:53 PM »

Glad I got the ten instead of the 710!
A lot looks the same, only smaller.
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KX2T

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #84 on: September 25, 2022, 05:48:43 AM »

The only area were the 710 would be better than the 7300 is in the band pass filter network and the pre amp stages with what Yaesu calls there IPO setting which in there past designs have given what I would call RX sensitivity management. Yaesu states something about mainly a amateur band mainly band pass filter network  which would be more aggressive than the ones used in the Icom rigs for just the ham bands, Icom's front end filtering is kind of broad and has always been that way cause they do work well outside the ham bands compared to the later Yaesu rigs. It seems that in the TFDX10 and the 101D/MP they made there front end filtering even before the roofing filters allot sharper. If these type of band pass filters are used in the 710 this is an area that the 7300 is light in the loafers cause it makes a great swl radio RX as well, not soo with the newer Yaesu's. after the front end it looks like the 710 will be like any other SDR but they do use two A/D's maybe because they are doing more with the display but there is no schematic yet on this rig so who knows but a better sharper band pass filter network would be a plus and having better Noise Reduction, Notch have been better on the later Yaesu radio's. The two controls that the 7300 does not have is the Contour and APF, these two plus the ability to add a external display is a plus.
To N2DTS I would give the call on the FTDX10 being better than the 710 two thumbs up, although the DSP controls are the same the superhet/SDR design has some advantages for designing a better stiffer more competitive radio for the contester DXer, it will hold up better on any band packed with signals better. AS far as the 7300 is concerned compared to the 710 it remains to be seen but the 710 has some more advantages in its design over the 7300.
The Icom seduces hams over its sexy and very flexible display and yes the averaging thing but I must be an old fart cause I place RX design that is more bullet proof over the GUI any day of the week but when you get into the low end of 20m either on CW or SSB and its wall to wall here on the east coast of the USA the Yaesu RX wins every time in my book and that was between the 7610 and the FTDX10 real world not on someone's list.   
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K0UA

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #85 on: September 25, 2022, 06:48:56 AM »

First look at the new 710 on KI6NAZ's VLOG. I must say I am NOT impressed. Yes it has a display port, but only the low resolution worked. Yes it has an USB mouse port, but Josh could not make it do anything but move a tiny mouse cursor around. Yes is has the 3D waterfall, which Josh loved, but it made me ill watching it.

 Yes it DOES NOT decode CW, and apparently it does NOT decode RTTY either. Josh tried for some time a to find it and even (gasp) looked in the manual and could not find a RTTY decoder which the 7300 has. And in fact you can work an entire RTTY contest with just the 7300 and its RTTY memories and even increment serial numbers and log the entire thing on the 7300 by itself with no computer at all.

Yes it has the external speaker and the ability to "blend" the external and internal speaker together. I was not impressed, and I am a certified (certifiable?) Icom fanboy.

 But several things like the inability of pushing the lower row of softkeys on the display either with finger of stylus accurately left me cold. My first fanboy impression is the rig is not "cooked" yet, and is begging for a software upgrade to fix several issues (mouse, and softkeys).

Again, less than impressed. And VERY unimpressed by the price which is the same as the FTDX-10. There is no question which of the two Yaesu rigs I would buy for the same money, and it is NOT the FT-710. For one thing the DSP on the 710 is no where near as good as on the FTDX-10, from what I have heard even over a you-tube connection. NOT even close. Of course the price of the 710 will drop soon and hopefully the software will be upgraded soon to fix the bugs. But I see NO reason anyone with a 7300 would want one, and it can't hold a candle to the FTDX-10 and only a fool would choose the 710 over the FTDX-10 for the same money.

That is my story and I am sticking to it. In a word I was expecting a 7300 "killer" and it is not.
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73  James K0UA

N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2022, 10:49:13 AM »

The FTdx 10 can decode rtty, ft8 and CW I think, and send it with a keyboard.
The mouse works if you want (I tried it) the exturnal display works but its just a big version of the low res built in screen.
The built in screen of the 10 is good enough for me, its large enough to be useful, the scope could be improved with an average and auto level option.

I expect the 710 to be a total dud unless it sells for $600.00.

I think the 10 is a small radio for home use and the 710 is even smaller.
In the car, I would rather have a 7300 with its bigger buttons and space between knobs.
The buttons on the screen are bigger as well.
If you need a very small radio for some reason, maybe the 710 would do, but the 10 is only a bit bigger
and does so much more and better.

I thought the 7610 was a fantastic radio in every respect but audio quality.
I would be Icom's biggest fan boy if they could fix that.
I may buy one just to look at it!

 
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K0UA

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #87 on: September 25, 2022, 11:41:52 AM »

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the 10 is only a bit bigger
and does so much more and better.


That is the key right there. I cannot see why anyone would want the 710 when the FTDX-10 is available for same money. They need to drastically lower the price of the 710.  I expect they will soon.
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73  James K0UA

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2022, 08:05:13 PM »

I've been thinking about the 710 and now I agree with most of the thoughts here, Thanks KOUA, the Ftdx-10 is well reviewed radio and selling below its original price, The 710 is great but only $100 less, and probably a bit inflated. I don't need a speaker that I would be paying for (hidden in the purchase price), maybe its good maybe not, its supposed to blend with the other, but it makes the radio wider, I've seen some pretty lame side speakers in my day, but who knows I haven't seen this one.
 
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N2DTS

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Re: New Yaesu FT-710
« Reply #89 on: September 29, 2022, 06:02:22 AM »

There is a review on this site so the radios are here.
At $1300.00 it does not seem to be a good buy.

Skip the beer and pizza once and get the extra cash for the 10.
Or wait till it is reduced in price $500.00.

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