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[K0RS]

Normally when calling a station, especially DX, I disable the first standard message which contains my grid square.  I call with the second standard message which contains the station's signal report.  I can do this by just clicking on the little bull's eye at the end of the message line. This setting remains until I close the program and reopen it for another session.  In the last couple of days every time I call someone the standard message reverts back to the first message which contains the grid square.  This is not advantageous, particularly in a high QRM situation as it forces an extra exchange.  I suspect that somehow I've changed a menu selection.  Anyone encounter this and can clue me into what I've inadvertently done?

I just noticed when experimenting that the first message used grey out when I selected the second.  It no longer does this, it remains active.

[K4WH]

Are you using WSJT or JTDX

[WW5F]

Just to let you know, you are depriving the station you're calling your grid square.

Some people will ignore your call if you don't provide a grid square when you call them.  You're not providing the "standard messages."  I'm one of them.

Just to let you know...

[KK2DOG]

With the WSJT FT4/FT8 program, on the far right under the word "Now" you can toggle the option on/off simply by double-clicking the Tx1 button.

[K0RS]

Are you using WSJT or JTDX

WSJT-x

[K0RS]

Just to let you know, you are depriving the station you're calling your grid square.

Deprivation?  Deprivation is lack of food and water, not lack of grid squares.  Hyperbole much? 

Some people will ignore your call if you don't provide a grid square when you call them.  You're not providing the "standard messages."

Incorrect.  Most DX stations, especially rarer ones with a large pileup, appreciate increased efficiency.  They are often more likely to answer a caller who sends a signal report and dispenses with useless grid square because they know it will speed up the pileup as well as increase the odds of successfully completing the QSO.  I've never had a station refuse my call because of a lack of grid square. You are free to play your game however you see fit or define what you consider to be "standard messages", but I know what works for me.  I can work pileups of Japanese stations without sending a grid square once, because I never call CQ, just answer callers.  They may be interested in my state or county (neither of which is provided by WSJT) but couldn't GAF about any grid square.  In fact I'm often called by DX in just this fashion.  Just to note we're not talking about HF not V/UHF here where people actually collect grids.

I'm one of them. Just to let you know...

I'm warned.  I promise not to ever put you in the situation.  Just to let you know....

[K0RS]

With the WSJT FT4/FT8 program, on the far right under the word "Now" you can toggle the option on/off simply by double-clicking the Tx1 button.

Yes, it is working now.  After rebooting the program several times I seem to have regained the function.  Thanks for the correct answer!

[VA3VF]

Just to let you know, you are depriving the station you're calling your grid square.

I heard this many times before. I don't send my grid square when calling, yet they are in all my confirmed LoTW, eQSL and ClubLog contacts. Sorry, I cannot speak about confirmation systems I don't use.

For those into paper QSLs, I would think the grid square would be on the card.

Another option is to include it on one's QRZ profile page.

Some people will ignore your call if you don't provide a grid square when you call them.

I noticed that. My "policy" is as follows:

a) If I need the contact, I'll "submit";
b) If I don't, I move on. No harm done.

[WW5F]

Having been one who tries to follow all the rules all my life and having been the one having to take a few "extra minutes" to "look up" someone's grid to make my log complete because it's not necessary in an FT8 exchange and being tired of the one who seems to always be berated for not being someone's tool, I believe, especially now, I'm done with FT8.

Carry on.

[W1VT]

https://www.qrz.com/db/SV2DCD
*On FT8, please SkipTx1 when you call me*

[VA3VF]

...the one who seems to always be berated...

Not sure if my post was the reason, but think Newton's third law of motion.

As for FT8 Standard Messages, I was around when this debate (sending the grid) first flared up. I was around when FT8 split was debated, and "settled".

To the best of my recollection, both ended up being incorporated into WSJT-X (I use JTDX), grudgingly perhaps, but that is "history".

Something similar happens with the RRR or RR73. Nothing personal, just trying to be more efficient. Propagation and/or pile-ups are not always kind.

Nobody is breaking any rules, early/preliminary "conventions" at most, that's all.

[KF4HR]

Since so many people tend to rush off to QRZ.com to look up the person at point B, FT8 exchanges really only need to include a call and report, (grid info is on QRZ).  And no need to send 73 either, just click on the next callsign and move on.  Fun, fun, fun.

[VA3VF]

FT8 exchanges really only need to include a call and report, (grid info is on QRZ).

As an HF only ham, I never used grid square before using the JT modes.

It's a solution in search of a problem, IMHO.

And no need to send 73 either, just click on the next callsign and move on.

That's how it is on F/H, at least with JTDX. Once the RR73 is decoded, TX is disabled.

Fun, fun, fun.

Not sure if you really meant it, but yes, fun fun fun. Once it stops being fun, I'll look for something else. It's only a hobby after all.

[K4HB]

As long as we're following the FCC rules, there's no other rules to follow when using FT8 or any other WSJT mode. I see things like sending grids and the final 73 as optional. By stations sending their grids on 6M & 2M, that makes it much easier for grid chasers to spot needed grids. This is especially true when the bands are open, and calls are rapidly flowing in. I see no need for grids on HF. Seems like there was a grid chase going on, or maybe still is on HF, but I only chase grids on VHF. JT Alert won't catch needed grids unless the callers are sending them. So I end up having to pull stations up to see what their grids are before deciding to work them or not. As for that final 73, don't see any need for it, but send it anyway because there's some who won't log you without it.

HamQTH makes looking up a station's grid faster, because the grid is on the first page. With QRZ, you gotta switch to the Detail page to see the grid. And for freeloaders like myself, you won't go past your allowed number of look ups on the Zed if you're using HamQTH.

[K0UA]

Well, I have known about "73 Nazi's" for some time. Where the guy won't log you unless you send the 73.  But I didn't think there were "grid Nazi's".  Live and learn something new every day.