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KX2T

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Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« on: July 19, 2022, 07:53:54 AM »

Yaesu is coming out with a new lower cost radio, price is TBA but it looks like there answer to the over popular Icom 7300. This radio may just have what an amateur operator wants in a small compact rig, stout front end band pass filters more designed for the ham bands not a SWL type radio, looks like some of the features of the FTDX10 in a smaller package, DVI output on the rear for using its display on an external monitor with similar DSP features like the FTDX10 also.
Not enough on its specs page if it will have switchable roofing filters or be the down conversion 9mhz superhet with an SDR IF back end or optional CW filtering but even if it had the 9mhz IF then SDR section in the rear with let's say the 3Khz roofing filter it just might be a simplified version of the Ten. I never really buy radio's when they first come out but did it with the 7610 years ago after a 4 month period then the FTDX10 when it first came out which is not like me but have not been disappointed when I purchased the Ten at half the cost of the 7610 but it had a much better receiver when it came to overload next to the Icom's.
I do think if Yaesu wanted to really shake up the Amateur radio market they would come out with a radio between there 10 and the 101D but be like having a 101D without the second RX, leave out the VRF which these two circuits add considerable cost to the radio. Instead place all the roofing in the radio except the 300Hz filters, have the better band pass filtering like in the 101D, larger display like a 6" job, have two antennas jacks and one programable for separate RX antenna and IF output like the 3000. Place the price point around the $2000 mark and that would dominate but they would have to give there display averaging.
Who knows but look like Yaesu has finally shaken the Motorola Cooperate crapolla  off there backs and become a real radio company again..
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K4GTE

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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2022, 08:06:57 AM »

Until Yaesu releases a true SDR direct sampling transceiver at the same price point as the 7300, with a more intuitive menu structure, they'll continue to be a step behind Icom. A stripped down FTDX10 is not a 7300 killer.
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2022, 08:27:09 AM »

Why would direct sampling be better than the superhet design they are using now?

73 John AF5CC
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AC7CW

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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2022, 09:04:09 AM »

Until Yaesu releases a true SDR direct sampling transceiver at the same price point as the 7300, with a more intuitive menu structure, they'll continue to be a step behind Icom. A stripped down FTDX10 is not a 7300 killer.

Why place any value on "a true direct sampling" rig? How is that better?
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2022, 10:51:15 AM »

That is my question also.  Maybe I don't understand SDR architecture well enough.

73 John AF5CC
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2022, 02:26:17 PM »

SDR receivers skip the expensive down conversion problems with simple pass bandwidth adjustment. It come down to processor speed and at least a 24 bit processing CPu. Most modern receivers that have an 2 KHz adjacent channel selectivity of over 90 dB, are more than adequate. Biggest problem for hams now days is the high ambient noise floor at the QTH.

The ergonomic  problem Yeasu engineers have, is they watched too many Star War movies. Their management of menus and ergonomics is for the most point a disaster. The 7300 is a very friendly radio especially for new hams. In the bang for the buck category I don't think there is much market at $1100 for anything new. This is why we see no news from Ten Tec. The market dynamics has changed dramatically.

I sold my IC-7600 for a 7300 which outperformed the $3800.00 box. It was not even close.
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2022, 04:09:53 PM »

 Upon the radios release, get ready for an onslaught of, "I'd buy one today if the price was $200 less" from the cheap ass's.


                                                             Tom KH0/KC0W
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2022, 04:10:15 PM »

Looking at the Sherwood report the FTDX10 gives the 7300 a run for it's money.   Never did buy into that list.   It's all about "fit".   My 7410 gives my 7300 a run for it's money.   Why?  It fits me better.   Carry on.
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2022, 04:14:28 PM »

It will be interesting but the jury remains out until a few hundred are on the air and the ARRL gets a chance to lab test it. Check back in 6-9 months. Until then, go with a known performer at a good price point, the FTdx10.
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2022, 04:59:37 PM »

I really don't buy into that list either cause I try and wait till it goes threw the ARRL and look at the blocking spec at 2Khz then the reciprocal mixing dynamic range cause although were Rob may test these radio both in his lab and then from a Colorado QTH means nothing to me unless he lives were I live. I pure RX performance Yaesu takes the cake even the FTDX10 best the K3s which soo many fell in love with and the 7300 sdr performance is just kind of ok if you want an easy to use radio for nets and cannot understand other forms of menu's.
After owning both late series Icom's like the 7300 and the 7610 I do not find the Yaesu FTDX10 or the 101D's menus' harder to navigate but if menu's scare you buy an old Ten Teck or Drake. Just wait till you have a ham down the block move in and run 1Kw when you want to work the same band as he and you will find which radio does and doesn't overload, the Yaesu will be a clear winner with there Superhet/SDR design not the direct sampling approach unless you have excessively sharp multi pole band pass filtering networks for each and every ham band.
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2022, 03:47:32 AM »

It amazes me, the 7300 idolatry.. almost cultism. Not to criticize the rig- it's the owners whom amaze me. From what I hear, on the bands, the 7300 if pretty well known for having a poor front end that crumbles in crowded environments. And that the rig is a chore to listen to due to harsh sounding audio. I must add though- that rig has FANTASTIC Tx audio. Pleasant and natural to listen to on my end.
I can and have built rigs that sound FAR better than a 7300. Rich, deep, robust.
An analog LO, mixer and IF section will never perform as well as an I/Q system in terms of numbers. And will always sound far, far better in my opinion.
Yaesu's FTdx3000 series has the most beautiful Rx audio I've ever heard. All say the same. It's front end performance is over the top good- and has actual roofing filters. They will never perform the same as the digital I/Q mixer- and will always sound far, far more pleasant to listen to. In my opinion.
My 1974 Heathkit SB-101 sounds better than 90% of rigs today, can be listened to all day long tirelessly, with superb audio, and has specs that would make King Rob laugh.
All comments and opinions are my own- since it was I who uttered them.
Be well all, have fun and enjoy the summer in NA
Chuck, N8NK
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AC7CW

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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2022, 09:43:11 AM »

Yaesu may fix up their interface with this new radio, no?
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2022, 09:56:35 AM »

Yaesu may fix up their interface with this new radio, no?

Just looking at it ergonomically, it seems small, a lot of small buttons everywhere (tough for fat fingers), and they still insist on placing four knobs real close to the the tuning dial.
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KX2T

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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2022, 01:13:54 PM »

Wow Chuck your really kind of hard towards the 7300, some points well taken but I find with the entry level SDR there is a learning curve with some of the issues you stated. First off you should re learn how to us its RF gain control which will help with some of its overload, never us the Pre amp stages cause even with Icom calls direct in its sensitivity without pre amp is almost way too much except on 6 meters maybe. Yes the hi frequency his in its audio drive some op's crazy but use the DNR set at 3 and never turn it off is the key for some. The TX on the 7300 is amazing, even with the stock hand held mic but if you want your heil to sound good its not unless its a electret condenser mic.
I haven't heard this 710 but if the RX audio is anything like the FTDX10 I owned it IMO had far better audio on receive. The DNR really works well plus all the selectivity controls are right up front like notch/contour, shift/width, plus APF and getting into the DNR or NB is just button to hold down and its right up on screen. Having the two knobs for VFP control is sweet and once you get used to its menus the multi know does allot. Having the display on a larger monitor is nice but the only thing Yaesu needs some help on is averaging on the spectrum display but you get used to the real time pretty fast.
The 7300 for many years was the swiss army knife of rigs but if one need better RX performance when the band get packed into this next cycle you we see these difference come up even more.
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Re: Yaesu's New FT710 might give the 7300 a run for the money?
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2022, 01:25:53 PM »

I have listened to a 7300 for days at a time for the better part of 6 years now, and I think they sound GREAT!.  As in Tony the Tiger GREAT!.  Maybe my ears don't work correctly. or maybe some of these 7300 haters don't. I don't get it. If you want a HW-101 them by all means have one. The only modern Yaesu I have is the Ft891 and it sounds fine to me too.
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