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WB2VVV

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QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« on: July 29, 2022, 08:06:48 AM »

Can anyone suggest any 48 VDC Power Supplies for use with modern Solid State Amplifiers that are:

1. QUIET, from a Mechanical/Acoustical/Airflow perspective.
2. Have low EMI Switching Noise from an Electrical Interference perspective.
3. Can supply low ripple clean 48 VDC for use with modern LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers.
4. Are durable and safe.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions of 48 VDC power supplies that satisfy these requirements!

Personally I have been using a MeanWell 48 VDC 1500 Watt switching supply on 240 VAC with a homebrew 1.8 thru 50 MHz MOSFET amplifier and it checks all of the boxes EXCEPT for being Acoustically Quiet. Its fans run all of the time at their highest speed and are very loud from an acoustical perspective, but it works very well from an electrical perspective, and I never hear any sort of electrical interference over the transceiver from the switching basis of the DC power conditioning. The MeanWell SE-1500-48 I am using is rated for 31.3 Amps of current at 48 VDC, though with this amplifier I never ask more than 24 Amps DC from it for ham radio analog modes and duty cycles. I bought it new. When I originally mounted it I hung it from compliant rubber mechanical vibration isolation mounts under my 2 inch thick solid wood work-top, so as to not transmit any mechanical noise into my shack. However, I never thought thru the acoustical noise perspective, and especially that its fans run all of the time at their highest speed. Obviously fans that reduce speed when the duty cycle and temperature warrants it would have been much better for my application.

I have heard recommendations of the Eltek Flatpack2 48 VDC power supply, but with no mention on the acoustical noise of their fan(s) nor whether they are variable speed to reduce noise when there is not the current draw or temperature to warrant running at their highest speed. I have NOT been unable to determine acoustical noise and fan architecture from Eltek's website, plus there are probably a dozen generations of this model over time to make it even more complex, and I would probably not be buying the latest generation anyway. Any experience with these models would certainly be appreciated. Note that these require a push-in PC board connector for access to the electrical connections, and those access board are inexpensively available aftermarket.
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W9IQ

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2022, 08:23:03 AM »

Consider contacting an applications engineer at Eltek and asking for their acoustic specs as well as details on fan speed control.

- Glenn W9IQ
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AD0AR

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2022, 08:50:36 AM »

Huawei R4840G2.     
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293946093812?hash=item44708d70f4:g:YQMAAOSwwe5f9~me 
  Pretty much bulletproof.
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N4OGW

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2022, 08:54:21 AM »

I use an Eltek Flatpack2 48/3000 supply with my amplifiers (black model with single fan).

1. Using this supply for a single LDMOS (BLF188XR) device amp it stays reasonably quiet- it didn't bother me to have it right next to the amplfier. The fan is temperature controlled and pretty much inaudible if there is no load. Running a dual pallet 1500 W amplifier the fan gets noisy. It is high pitched and constantly changing speed. I put it several feet away behind another desk which helps.

The data sheet says <  40dBA at full load, 25 deg, < 58 dBA at 40 deg C.

2. I have never noticed any EMI noise from it at all

3. Yes, works well for LDMOS amps

4. Durability: maybe it is my bad luck, but so far I have lost the canbus connection on two Elteks due to surges in electrical storms. In the first storm I had several devices in the shack damaged and afterwards I added a surge protector on the canbus data lines. In the second storm nothing else in the shack besides the eltek was damaged. Without canbus you can't set the voltage. Fortunately mine still remembers the 50 V setting.


Tor N4OGW
 
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N4OGW

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2022, 08:55:21 AM »

Huawei R4840G2.     
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293946093812?hash=item44708d70f4:g:YQMAAOSwwe5f9~me 
  Pretty much bulletproof.

Are there any US sources for these?

Tor N4OGW
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WB2VVV

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2022, 09:47:44 AM »

I use an Eltek Flatpack2 48/3000 supply with my amplifiers (black model with single fan).

1. Using this supply for a single LDMOS (BLF188XR) device amp it stays reasonably quiet- it didn't bother me to have it right next to the amplfier. The fan is temperature controlled and pretty much inaudible if there is no load. Running a dual pallet 1500 W amplifier the fan gets noisy. It is high pitched and constantly changing speed. I put it several feet away behind another desk which helps.

The data sheet says <  40dBA at full load, 25 deg, < 58 dBA at 40 deg C.

2. I have never noticed any EMI noise from it at all

3. Yes, works well for LDMOS amps

4. Durability: maybe it is my bad luck, but so far I have lost the canbus connection on two Elteks due to surges in electrical storms. In the first storm I had several devices in the shack damaged and afterwards I added a surge protector on the canbus data lines. In the second storm nothing else in the shack besides the eltek was damaged. Without canbus you can't set the voltage. Fortunately mine still remembers the 50 V setting.


Tor N4OGW

Thanks Tony, when you get a chance can you please tell me which generation it says on the tag of your Elteks? This sounds like what I'm looking for as far as the variable speed fans and acoustical/electrical noise go, and that I'm only drawing 24 Amps peak now with the MOSFET deck it will be acoustically quiet. I am currently building an LDMOS deck around a single BLF578 which may be a slightly higher current draw so this application should be quiet too. I know I can obtain the push in board to access the electrical connections without their rack mounted chassis from various sources as well. I am concerned, however to hear that the only way to get to the voltage adjustment is through a software connection though - and this has been less than robust. At least it sounds like it remembers what it was last set to on boot up. This software voltage setting business scares me though. Some of the other power supply brands I have seen have a simple set and forget trimmer pot near the output connections.

My shack is a small post and beam shed at the near end of a back field with my HF tower right next to it. There are a lot of antennas/connections that all terminate into Alpha Delta coaxial switches with gas arc plugs, except for my wire antennas that need tuners to bring down the VSWR and where I have removed those gas arc plugs from the coaxial switches. The tower and all of the switches/rigs are all bonded and grounded into a ring with deep driven rods at the tower base. At the other end of the shack I bring in AC from an underground conduit from the electrical panel in our detached garage, which is in turn fed from the main entrance electrical panel in our house. However, all of the 120 VAC connections in the shack are via a large Waber 120 VAC outlet strip, and all of the 240 VAC connections in the shack are via a large Waber 240 VAC outlet strip. On my way out of the shack I pull both of those plugs for those two outlet strips out of the wall outlets, so there is no AC connection to any ham radio gear when I'm not there. This has served me well so far for a couple of decades at this QTH.
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WB2VVV

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2022, 10:11:34 AM »

Huawei R4840G2.     
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293946093812?hash=item44708d70f4:g:YQMAAOSwwe5f9~me 
  Pretty much bulletproof.

Are there any US sources for these?

Tor N4OGW

Unlikely, as Huawei got themselves banned in the US due to piracy (stealing Lucent cellular base station technology), though this article points to other US security concerns:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/joe-biden-signs-law-to-ban-huawei-zte-from-doing-business-in-us-121111200372_1.html

Possibly these are available on the secondary "used - pull" market though. This assumes you can manage the AC/DC connections on the back side of the module, which they don't show a picture of in the ebay listing. Maybe  AD0AR can comment on these connections and also how quiet they are in operation.
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W9AC

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2022, 10:39:51 AM »

I have three of the Eltek Flatpack2 48/3000 supplies.  Keep in mind that a special circuit board must be used for AC input and DC output connections.  See the photos at the top of my QRZ page at:

www.w9ac.com

For purchase, see eBay item number:154798050860. 

I'll keep the images up through the weekend.

Paul, W9AC
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WB2VVV

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2022, 10:46:11 AM »

I have three of the Eltek Flatpack2 48/3000 supplies.  Keep in mind that a special circuit board must be used for AC input and DC output connections.  See the photos at the top of my QRZ page at:

www.w9ac.com

For purchase, see eBay item number:154798050860. 

I'll keep the images up through the weekend.

Paul, W9AC

Thanks Paul. Yes, that is the type of push-in PC board for Input/Output connections that I found several ebay sources for.

Can you please comment on what generation your Elteks say on the tag, and also how quiet you have found them in operation. Finally, how have you made voltage adjustments, and has this been reliable for you?
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N4OGW

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2022, 01:10:16 PM »

I'm using VK4GHZ's controller

https://vk4ghz.com/product/eltek-flatpack2-24-48v-touchscreen-controller-kit/

The model number for the 48/3000 that I have is on that page. His controller works very well (at least until the canbus ports on my Elteks were fried). I put mine in a box and control the AC power to it with a relay.

Tor N4OGW
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WB2VVV

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2022, 01:40:23 PM »

I'm using VK4GHZ's controller

https://vk4ghz.com/product/eltek-flatpack2-24-48v-touchscreen-controller-kit/

The model number for the 48/3000 that I have is on that page. His controller works very well (at least until the canbus ports on my Elteks were fried). I put mine in a box and control the AC power to it with a relay.

Tor N4OGW

Thanks Tor. Building a touch screen kit for controlling the PS is more involved than I want to deal with, even if the kit wasn't discontinued. I have a beefy 2 Pole Switch in the 240 VAC primary line to my current PS, next to the PS and DC output Voltage and Current Meters next to the rig, amp deck, and RF output meter (the current meter's shunt is bolted to a beefy DC output terminal screw on my current PS). My current PS has an accessible trimmer pot for its 43.2 - 56 VDC adjustment range. I only wish its fans were variable speed for typical ham analog duty cycles. The acoustical fan noise isn't really a problem when I'm operating CW with headphones on, but the fan noise was audible on SSB using my Headset between my words - until I started using a noise gate in the microphone line that cuts the microphone line in between my words.

I imagine one can use such an Eltek PS without the complexity of a touch screen controller, though it sounds as if there is no way to adjust the voltage without such a controller. What worries me is if it comes to me adjusted outside of the 48 - 50 VDC range I would use, as I wouldn't have a way adjust it into the range I need.
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W9AC

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2022, 02:15:28 PM »

Thanks Paul. Yes, that is the type of push-in PC board for Input/Output connections that I found several ebay sources for.

Can you please comment on what generation your Elteks say on the tag.

I updated the web link to show the three supplies.  They are super quiet. About five years ago, I increased the output voltage to about +58V but I don't recall if it was a physical adjustment or a software command.

Paul, W9AC
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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2022, 03:36:08 PM »

Just before retiring from the telco,  we had installed hundreds of the  -52 vdc, 3.3 kw CCS switching supplies. 6 of em per shelf, and shelves stacked in  7' tall racks. They ran at aprx 60-75% of their CCs ratings.   Unlike SSB, the telco supplies ran CCS current   24/7/365.    The single, small fan inside em never came on.  They were completely dead quiet.   Some smaller sites, like cell sites, they ran on 240 vac,  single phase.   On the bigger central offices, they ran on 208 vac, also single phase.  I will have to check old notes.  They were  US made..and were $475.00 each, in qty.  No clue how much noise they put out on HF bands.

If one supply in any shelf went defective, the remaining 5 x supplies took up the slack.   The current was always evenly split between the supplies.   They would handle extremes in incoming voltages, (like 165-300 vac)  and also anything from 40-70 hz.  The power factor was superb, always > .99  at any phase angle.   Never had one fail, and never replaced any.  One thing I did note in the manual was, for abrupt changes in load current, it took aprx 100 msecs for the switcher to react.  That would not be suitable for SSB / CW modes.   I have seen some hb  SS amps, where a large lytic was wired in parallel with the output of the switching supply...probably for that reason.
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WB2VVV

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2022, 06:47:09 PM »

Thanks Paul. Yes, that is the type of push-in PC board for Input/Output connections that I found several ebay sources for.

Can you please comment on what generation your Elteks say on the tag.

I updated the web link to show the three supplies.  They are super quiet. About five years ago, I increased the output voltage to about +58V but I don't recall if it was a physical adjustment or a software command.

Paul, W9AC

Thanks Paul. I scrolled down your page and saw that you once had a "WN" prefix too. I was WN2VVV in 1974. I too am still an avid downhill skier. We own a mountain QTH in the White Mountains of NH, near the bottom of Waterville Valley, where I buy my season pass every year. A few years ago I was invited to an early October ski camp in Hintertux Austria on the Glacier. We went thru Munich for Octoberfest! Last season I only skied 35 days, though at least they were all weekdays and none during holiday weeks, so no lift lines. I have a small shack there with minimal antennas that usually survive the ice and snow. In RI my antennas are more interesting! 73, and thanks for your input! Chris
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VE7RF

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Re: QUIET 48 VDC Power Supply for LDMOS/MOSFET Amplifiers?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2022, 07:46:56 PM »

Huawei R4840G2.     
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293946093812?hash=item44708d70f4:g:YQMAAOSwwe5f9~me 
  Pretty much bulletproof.

Are there any US sources for these?

Tor N4OGW

Unlikely, as Huawei got themselves banned in the US due to piracy (stealing Lucent cellular base station technology), though this article points to other US security concerns:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/joe-biden-signs-law-to-ban-huawei-zte-from-doing-business-in-us-121111200372_1.html

Possibly these are available on the secondary "used - pull" market though. This assumes you can manage the AC/DC connections on the back side of the module, which they don't show a picture of in the ebay listing. Maybe  AD0AR can comment on these connections and also how quiet they are in operation.

Dunno if that includes Huawei power supplies or not.   The German made B26 amp still uses a single 3kw Huawei 50 vdc switching supply.  He was buying 25 power supplies at a time.   They are cheap, and 100% reliable.
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