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GREYLINE

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Recommended Internet Speed
« on: September 11, 2022, 06:43:55 PM »

A friend recently sold me an Elecraft K3/0. He's also sending me the proper Remote Rig box so I can connect to their club station in Florida. Is there a recommended internet speed I should have to make this go smoothly? I currently have 300 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.
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K0IZ

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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2022, 06:54:55 PM »

I run remote but not with the remote rig setup.  But data flow should be similar.  I'm in the mountains of Colorado and get 6M down and 3 or 4M up (fixed wireless to mountain 10 miles away).  Works ok but I find that the up can bog down if I try to use my panadapter.  So your 300M is super, and your 10M is adequate.
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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2022, 07:02:48 PM »

Good to remember that the data rate you pay for is just one element of the connection.

Latency is another, and often, the more important one.  Yet the carriers generally offer no consumer spficiations for latency.

Most people are very surprised to learn how little bandwidth (bits per second) they are actually using for many applications, and then very surprised once again to find what tolerance many applications have to not only the delays, but to the variations thereof.

Disclaimer:  I am the lead applications engineer covering this topic for the world's largest test equipment manufacturer, and my employer sells test gear to every major service provider worldwide.  Therefore I must limit my public comments on this topic quite generically.
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GREYLINE

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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2022, 07:09:43 PM »

That's very helpful, guys. Thank you.

I used to be a pretty heavy gamer, playing a very popular multi-player game. My ping is 13 ms and I usually run my in-game setting near max without experiencing much lag at all.

Fingers crossed it will work.
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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2022, 01:58:08 AM »

I currently have 300 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.

I used the K3/0 and remote rig with much slower speed (DSL) than you have.  It worked great. 

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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2022, 05:23:49 AM »

You should have plenty.
The supervision (PTT) takes very little, and the audio paths (Tx+Rx) are under 100kBit each.
Now video and gaming are bandwidth hogs, but compression has made them practical.
Now if you were still using an analog modem you could have problems!

-Mike.
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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2022, 10:21:50 AM »

I routinely use my Remote Rig setup to control a Kenwood TS-2000.  I am using the personal hot spot of an iPhone 6s+ running on T-Mobile 4G Internet service.  I have the iPhone tethered to a GL-inet "Slate" mini travel router via Apple Lightning cable. In turn, I use one of the router's hardwire Ethernet ports (not WiFi) to the Remote Rig box.  It works just fine most of the time.

The only problem I have had was major event cellular congestion that starts limiting data throughput and drops connections. My worst experience was at Dayton this year.   15-20,000+ cell phone users in one area!  The cell networks just buckled! But at casual appearances at club meetings, Field Day, fast-food impromptu meetups, etc it works perfectly.   Normally, I bring my own connectivity, but once I used it over the free WiFi at a Taco Bell. 

This link shows a pic of the setup.:  < http://wa8lmf.net/ham/RemoteRig-Setup.jpg

The TS-2000 control head, the RemoteRig box and a Monoprice powered speaker are stuck-together with high-power Velcro. Underneath the RemoteRig box, behind the speaker is a 12 VDC 2AH lithium battery pack. It will power the setup for over 10 hours. You can just barely see, behind the Kenwood head a homebrew tone-activated soundcard interface.  This is inserted inline between the mic and the RemoteRig mic jack. it automatically disconnects the mic and keys the RemoteRig "send" when digimode audio is applied from an external tablet, phone or laptop. 

The RemoteRig audio codecs are clean enough to pass all digi-modes I have tested, including the very demanding "EasyPal "digital SSTV".    This has been a lot of fun originating "LiveCAM" SSTV from wherever I happen to be. 

Stephen H. Smith
WA8LMF --at-- aol.com
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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2022, 11:25:42 AM »



Looks nice!

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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2022, 02:10:29 PM »

I use the Remoterig setup with Kenwood TS-480.

At the remote site I have 4G cellular modem with 5Mbps Uplink and 0.5Mbps Downlink data service.
Works great, never a problem.
The people I talk with have no idea that it's a remote setup, audio is great, no dropouts.

BTW, in the Remoterig I use the speech codec setting 2.  16bit liner coding, 8kHz sample rate.
The required data bandwidth for that codec is 180kbps.
https://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=388
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Re: Recommended Internet Speed
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2022, 12:44:32 PM »

I run my Hermes Lite 2 remotely, and find that even with over 100 Mbps both ways, UDP network latency variation (especially over WiFi) can cause problems (interrupted transmits, relay chatter, etc.).  So I usually operate indirectly thru a Raspberry Pi, which can add enough additional network buffering to cover the latency jitter, at the cost of increase latency (longer CW break-in times, etc.).
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