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N8YX

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2022, 10:31:25 AM »

There are numerous examples of pre-adult Advanced and Extra class hams from back in the 13-20WPM/FCC test session days. The youngest one I was aware of was 8. Proof positive that if you truly want something, hard work can reward you.

This thread either reeks of gibmedat mentality or it's an artfully crafted troll. All that's missing is the dead horse beater GIF, as the subject has been beat to atoms over the years.
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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2022, 10:43:44 AM »

Never a dull moment here on the forum!  You just cannot make this stuff up!!!
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K1KIM

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2022, 10:52:34 AM »

Dear Top Gun (CALLSIGNVIPER) to quote you....

Which sucks, because the 2-3 times I am planning on using the radios, makes getting an amateur license not feasible.

I cant imagine anyone wanting or needing to do the above for a good purpose.

Perhaps you will tell us the "EMERGENCY" use you are planning for.
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K7JQ

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2022, 11:01:00 AM »

Hey "CALLSIGNVIPER"....

Next time you need heart surgery, ask you car mechanic next door neighbor to perform it. Or next commercial flight you book, make sure it's the airport janitor flying the plane. Who needs medical or flight school to do those jobs?

Your post should be on a CB forum.
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G8FXC

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2022, 12:16:18 PM »

In an ideal world, licences should not be necessary to operate radio transmitters - there, I've said it! Seriously, the RF spectrum is a natural resource and we should all be free to use it as we see fit. I don't need a licence to turn on a light in my house - which is transmitting electromagnetic radiation. I don't need a licence to shout to someone on the other side of the road - which is communicating remotely (albeit quite short range) - so why do I need a licence to operate an HF radio? If we look back a hundred years, then the answer is obvious - the section of the electromagnetic spectrum suitable for long distance communications is finite and quite narrow and there was a lot of competition for it. Titanic had sunk ten years earlier and that event demonstrated the high value of radio communications for safety-of-life applications. Entertainment broadcasting was beginning to take off and selling broadcasting licences was a big earner for governments. The military had got a taste of how liberating it is for a commander to be able to send instructions to his troops on the far side of the battlefield and know that the message will get there in milliseconds rather than having to wait for a vulnerable messenger to run the distance.

Now, things are changing rapidly. An HF radio will get your message round the world - sometimes! The MUF goes up and down like a yoyo and you have to chase it across the bands to find the right frequency to get through. The solar cycle means that there will be two or three years in every eleven when it becomes almost impossible to get through and a big geomagnetic storm can shut the entire HF spectrum down for a day or more. There were no satellites when Titanic sank - these days, the SOS would have gone out over Intelsat, not tapped out in CW on Top Band.

Broadcasters are retreating from RF - the internet is just so much cheaper to operate. The military and other government agencies are moving up to microwave frequencies - either point-to-point or relayed via satellite. Again, it's more predictable than HF propagation and the available data rate is far higher.

So, do governments still need to control access to HF through licencing? Probably yes, but it is a lot less important than it was and is getting still less important as time goes on. Gone are the days when an idiot with a Yaesu or ICOM on HF could cause interference that might endanger life. There's very little military or diplomatic traffic of any importance being transmitted on frequencies below 30MHz.

Martin (G8FXC)
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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2022, 12:28:42 PM »

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PS. I am new here and I am not sure where to post this, so please move it, if it is in the wrong place. : ).


Is there a "trash" file?

K1VSK

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2022, 12:30:31 PM »



Hmm? I thought I made myself clear!? I do not want to change the rules. I would like the FCC to add some.

That you think there is some distinction here is adorable.

Let’s change the rules to accommodate someone who won’t bother complying with existing ones because he thinks them unnecessary. I got it!

A sure formula for success in life.
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WA3SKN

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2022, 12:32:51 PM »

Unlike other services, amateur services are required to be licensed by International Law.
Once you get the International Laws changed, notify the FCC and they will consider changing National Law!
Or you can follow the rules and just test for a license.  I assume you can qualify for one.

-Mike.
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AC2EU

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2022, 12:37:37 PM »

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So, do governments still need to control access to HF through licencing? Probably yes, but it is a lot less important than it was and is getting still less important as time goes on. Gone are the days when an idiot with a Yaesu or ICOM on HF could cause interference that might endanger life. There's very little military or diplomatic traffic of any importance being transmitted on frequencies below 30MHz.

Don't know what CB is like in the UK, but it's a no-mans land on weekends here in the USA with all kinds of idiots doing "whatever". The ham bands are bad enough in that respect, lets not open up the sluice gates by allowing unlicensed wahoos to join in.

WA3SKN

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2022, 12:40:34 PM »

I recommend using a cellphone.  There are more gadgets and cool lights  and you can still communicate.

-Mike.
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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2022, 12:49:56 PM »

Man, I thought over yonder was pedantic...
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AA4PB

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2022, 01:08:11 PM »

The purpose of amateur radio is NOT to provide you and your friends a reliable means of communications while you are hiking, boating, etc. It is about advancing your skills in the technical and communications phases of the radio art. That's why there is a test to get a license - to show that you have obtained the minimum basic skills to install, operate, and maintain an amateur radio station. There are other services available for those whose primary purpose is to provide communications in support of other activies.
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N8YX

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2022, 01:40:37 PM »

I recommend using a cellphone.  There are more gadgets and cool lights  and you can still communicate.

-Mike.
Plus there's TikTok and Twitter and Farcebook.
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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2022, 01:59:40 PM »

 Why don’t you buy a few GOOD 5 watt CB walk-in talkies.
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W5OT

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Re: I would like to use a fancy radio as well!!!
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2022, 02:52:04 PM »

The issue here.....that the poster fails to understand.......is that the HF bands, while useful for LONG distance communication, are NOT conducive to talking to " the guy I hand a radio to". 

Communicating like that is already covered by GMRS, FRS, and CB. 
All the fancy bells and whistles arent necessary for those radios.
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