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K1JX

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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2022, 01:26:23 PM »

CW.

Ahh, if that were only so.  Many expeditions and DX stations in general don't hear so well.  Probably a multitude of reasons for that.  Yes, I realize that large antennas in a great location along with high power mitigates that.  But, that's not my modus operandi these days.  By choice.  So, I work what I can on CW and use FT8 and SSB for the rest.  It's just disappointing when an opportunity is dismissed from the jump.  But, I will survive.



Interesting, since I think there will be FT8 on other bands, or that changed as well?

The most current information on their web site is that they will be running four FT8 stations around the clock, all using 100 watts.  Just not on 80 or 160 meters.
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2022, 02:52:30 PM »

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The most current information on their web site is that they will be running four FT8 stations around the clock, all using 100 watts.  Just not on 80 or 160 meters.

Good enough for me. Microphones and keys to remain in storage.

I'm happy they'll maintain the integrity of DXing on 160 and 80. ;D

While at the site, I checked the QSL policy, I like it.

Looking forward to it.
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2022, 07:52:26 PM »

Rather than start a new thread I was just curious as to why no one ever talks about a Peter 1 Island activation.  Is it restricted or is there just not enough interest? 
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2022, 08:28:25 PM »

Peter Island is an ATNO for me. I have one Bouvet 20m QSO from way back when.


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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2022, 09:33:57 PM »

Peter 1 was done a few years back, because of the cost involved it is likely only to be activated once every 20 years or so, I missed it last time so hope someone goes there soon,

A lot of the big teams that were active pre covid going to the rare ones are very quiet, lets hope they are all planning some big trips to rare places,

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Rather than start a new thread I was just curious as to why no one ever talks about a Peter 1 Island activation.  Is it restricted or is there just not enough interest?
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2022, 09:44:40 PM »

Thank you for the replies.
So I take it that this one is on the table and can be activated once there is enough demand for it to happen.  I also need this one as the last activation happened a couple of years before I got into Ham Radio.

Thanks
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2022, 11:27:11 PM »

Peter I is probably the most difficult activation of all.

It is basically a big rock with sheer cliffs in Antarctic waters where the sailing is treacherous.  I think most if not all of the very few activations (Wiki says three, I only remember two) were done with helicopters, because it is almost impossible to land there (see what Wiki suggests, for instance) and the land slopes upward pretty fast everywhere.

Even if you could find some narrow, flat place to land, apparently only at a few times of the year, I don't know if it is wide enough to really support extensive operations.  You'd have to find some of the few that went.

This might be the sort of thing where we spent a lot of money and activate 20m only or something.  Very forbidding.
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2022, 12:32:31 AM »

Peter 1 was done a few years back, because of the cost involved it is likely only to be activated once every 20 years or so

3Y0X was done in February 2006, so it's nearly 17 years already !
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2022, 03:42:42 AM »

i wish you good luck ken i will be trying from vk according to adrians talk we have a good chance. i have been been looking forward to this for a long time. just to hear bouvet on the air will be a thrill then to work it lol it should be a fun few weeks in fact im more concerned in try to get crozet i feel that will be tough for us
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2022, 06:42:55 AM »

thanks. We need it! VK will be easy from Bouvet!

Wrt Peter 1. it's just a matter of who get's a suitable and affordable vessel! Getting the permit and license is easy.
Another thing with Peter 1 is the financial risk involved -who want to sign on an expensive vessel contract without knowing you will get the funds to pay the bill?


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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2022, 12:49:50 PM »

Lets hope on the sail back to ZS land after a very safe and successful operation Ken you and the guys can start working on a plan for Peter 1,

Best of luck and safe travels to you and all the team,

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thanks. We need it! VK will be easy from Bouvet!

Wrt Peter 1. it's just a matter of who get's a suitable and affordable vessel! Getting the permit and license is easy.
Another thing with Peter 1 is the financial risk involved -who want to sign on an expensive vessel contract without knowing you will get the funds to pay the bill?
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2022, 03:16:40 PM »

Peter I is probably the most difficult activation of all.

It is basically a big rock with sheer cliffs in Antarctic waters where the sailing is treacherous.  I think most if not all of the very few activations (Wiki says three, I only remember two) were done with helicopters, because it is almost impossible to land there (see what Wiki suggests, for instance) and the land slopes upward pretty fast everywhere.

Even if you could find some narrow, flat place to land, apparently only at a few times of the year, I don't know if it is wide enough to really support extensive operations.  You'd have to find some of the few that went.

This might be the sort of thing where we spent a lot of money and activate 20m only or something.  Very forbidding.

I have the Video of the last Peter DXpedition and just watched it again a few days ago.
It's not as small as you think and there is plenty of area to land helicopters and make camp.
 The last set of guys had about 10 huge tents setup and I think they were running 8 stations at a time.  About the only difference I can see between Peter and Bouvet is that Bouvet does have one tiny area that Boats can come ashore at while Peter 1st has none.   IMHO both Islands are best handled by Helicopter.   The last Dxpedition had only one but they were able to get up and running within 24 hours of the weather clearing.

The weather on both Islands seems to change rapidly hour by hour so I am a bit worried for 3Y0J and how they are going to get that much equipment on the island by small boats. 
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2022, 05:12:27 PM »

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there is plenty of area to land helicopters and make camp.

Sure, once you involve helicopters.  I did not mean to argue otherwise.  I agree with you there.

But helicopters jack up the risk and the expense in that part of the world as we recently learned from the last Bouvet expedition.

There is, I strongly suspect, the very real potential for a group who rely on helis to get stranded in a place like Peter I.

The last South Sandwich group had to take to their heels on very short notice because of ice conditions.  The boat had to leave.  They did get back, briefly, to pick up gear, but it was all very chancy and could have been worse.  If they had a group ashore that could only evacuate with choppers, well, who knows what might have happened?

This is not a very nice area of the world.  Those that pull off an expedition here, especially on the budgets we can assemble, have really done something.
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2022, 10:57:15 PM »


The weather on both Islands seems to change rapidly hour by hour so I am a bit worried for 3Y0J and how they are going to get that much equipment on the island by small boats.
Don't worry about this. We already have conducted a "lesson learned" from other DXpeditions. When it comes to this specific thing we have split our 7,5 metric ton of gear in several STEPS. You can access our webpage to see how the camp, antenna and station setup will be done.

Meaning that we already in the planning stage have considered the very likely scenario that we will only have a short wx window of a few hours to be able to set up a small camp. So our approach is to start with a LIGHTWEIGHT STEP1 of 1500 kg, estimated to 5-6 boat rides, which only includes the minimal amount of equipment, food, water, medications etc  to be able to setup a SMALL camp. Then we have designed additional steps 2 to 4 that additionally expands the camp. In addition we have implemented measure so that we can ration the amount of fuel, heating, food and water so any team that land on the island will survive for 28 days without resupplies. Landing by zodiak is not any issue at all, we have previous videos demonstrating the feasibility of this.In addition we have implemented measures that allows us to work in parallell. We will have 2 zodkas that can do the landing, this will speed up the process. We have implemented a fuel pump system that will easily pump the diesel from beach into camp. We have several other possibilities to hoist up the equipment into the camp. Contrary to many other DXpeditions our approach is to do the job ourselves. The lesson learned session has also included other aspects.

Merry christmas!
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Re: 3Y0J/Bouvet Island Presentation
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2022, 08:03:22 PM »

Don't worry about this. We already have conducted a "lesson learned" from other DXpeditions. When it comes to this specific thing we have split our 7,5 metric ton of gear in several STEPS. You can access our webpage to see how the camp, antenna and station setup will be done.

Meaning that we already in the planning stage have considered the very likely scenario that we will only have a short wx window of a few hours to be able to set up a small camp. So our approach is to start with a LIGHTWEIGHT STEP1 of 1500 kg, estimated to 5-6 boat rides, which only includes the minimal amount of equipment, food, water, medications etc  to be able to setup a SMALL camp. Then we have designed additional steps 2 to 4 that additionally expands the camp. In addition we have implemented measure so that we can ration the amount of fuel, heating, food and water so any team that land on the island will survive for 28 days without resupplies. Landing by zodiak is not any issue at all, we have previous videos demonstrating the feasibility of this.In addition we have implemented measures that allows us to work in parallell. We will have 2 zodkas that can do the landing, this will speed up the process. We have implemented a fuel pump system that will easily pump the diesel from beach into camp. We have several other possibilities to hoist up the equipment into the camp. Contrary to many other DXpeditions our approach is to do the job ourselves. The lesson learned session has also included other aspects.

Merry christmas!

I am excited for this DXpedition.  Excited for them and excited as a Ham going to do my best trying to work them.  It has come a long way in a short time, and now the travel is just days away.  I have one more tower to erect (as soon as we get a decent weather window) and my station will be ready.

Fun, fun stuff!

Merry Christmas!

N0UN
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