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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2022, 01:22:43 AM »

I have owned the alpha 77SX and the Alpha 9500. The Alpha 9500 is the coolest amp that I have ever owned. But, although I mostly operate an amp that I built myself I would be in real trouble trying to figure out the 9500 in case of a failure.  I sold it for that reason.

I think the best deal out there is the Alpha 78. Although it is not instant tune it only requires turning the band switch and has a separate load and tune cap for most bands. You can still find good 8874's around, and they are very reliable if you drive them properly.

I have a 374A which is a little brother to the 78 and also has band pass tuning. Really cool, quiet, and reliable.
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2022, 07:26:00 AM »

I have owned the alpha 77SX and the Alpha 9500. The Alpha 9500 is the coolest amp that I have ever owned. But, although I mostly operate an amp that I built myself I would be in real trouble trying to figure out the 9500 in case of a failure.  I sold it for that reason.

I think the best deal out there is the Alpha 78. Although it is not instant tune it only requires turning the band switch and has a separate load and tune cap for most bands. You can still find good 8874's around, and they are very reliable if you drive them properly.

I have a 374A which is a little brother to the 78 and also has band pass tuning. Really cool, quiet, and reliable.

The story I got was the 374A's passband tuning was a series of L networks for each band, plus the manual tuning option.

The story I got was the passband tuning lacked sufficient harmonic suppression to meet the new FCC specs, so the passband tuning concept was dumped on newer alpha amps..... and alpha went to the motorized  tune+load caps and bandswitch.  Dunno how broad the passband tuning was on the 374A, like if into a dummy load.

Another method might be to use a PI-L....but with a real low loaded Q.  On paper, it would suffice for harmonic attenuation, and be very broad, but probably not broad enough to cover all of 40m, maybe 2/3 of it. And even worse on 160+80m, but at least a lot broader vs using either a higher loaded Q PI / PI-L network.

The passband tuning concept they used might just work for a monoband amp. I will have to go over their schematics to see if it is feasible.
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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2022, 09:42:37 AM »

The story I got was the 374A's passband tuning was a series of L networks for each band, plus the manual tuning option.

The story I got was the passband tuning lacked sufficient harmonic suppression to meet the new FCC specs, so the passband tuning concept was dumped on newer alpha amps..... and alpha went to the motorized  tune+load caps and bandswitch.  Dunno how broad the passband tuning was on the 374A, like if into a dummy load.

Both the 78 and 374A use the same Pi-L network on all the bands, they have the Preset tuning bandswitch positions on 80-15m, with different taps on the "Pi inductor" to give broader bandwidth.

We found the "prototype" of the 87A at Alpha 20-odd years ago in boxes of stuff that came from ETO, it used a pair of 3CX800A7 tubes but had similar preset "bandpass tuning" caps stuffed in the RF section.  Since the bank of 8 preset T and L capacitors (again only for 4 bands) means they have to be smaller (to fit in a desktop amp), it never would have been able to reliably run 1500-plus watts.

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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2022, 11:45:41 AM »

Glenn,

In my files, I have two mid-1980s ads for an Alpha 87 (not 87A).  It looked much different than the 87A and had Lexan face plate like the model 86.  Not sure if that was a prototype or a design that was discarded before production.  See the ads in the link below:

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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2022, 12:37:10 PM »

Glenn,
In my files, I have two mid-1980s ads for an Alpha 87 (not 87A).  It looked much different than the 87A and had Lexan face plate like the model 86.  Not sure if that was a prototype or a design that was discarded before production.  See the ads in the link below:
www.w9ac.com
Paul, W9AC

That's what it was, Paul (the one with only the bandswitch) !  I doubt they ever made it for production, have never found any documentation or production files for that model in all the file cabinets of ETO invoices that Alpha inherited :-) Never saw anything like the one with the pushbuttons.

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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2022, 01:23:33 PM »

Rob,
You're welcome!

The way I'm now interpreting your question(s) is less about the Alpha 9500, and more like many of the questions here regarding amp selection....

These are the typical: 
"what amp should I buy?" ....
"Solid-State or Vacuum-Tube?" ....
"how good IMD do I need?" ....
"do I need 1500 watts out?" ....
"do I need 100% duty-cycle, no time-limit, 'brick-on-the-key'?" ....
"if I desire a 'tube amp', which tubes should I avoid / which ones to look for?" ....
"if I desire a SS Amp, which devices should I avoid / which ones to look for?" .... 
"are there 'no-time-limit' SS Amps?" ....
"what is the 'best' amp?" ....
etc etc.
etc....

And, to be blunt, all of these questions have been asked, answered, and beaten-to-death...over-and-over again....many times here....so, no need to go through all of this again. 

A few brief clarifications...
Thank you for turning this into an excellent thread. I will be the first to admit that I don't know everything an extra class is supposed to know. But I do know about IMD distortion and things like that.  I also know old technology with tubes is questionable.
Huh?
Actually, "tube" amps almost always provide much better IMD than SS amps!
They are also much more forgiving of operator mistakes.
And, they will generally never need a "tuner", as most will cleanly run full-output into 3:1 VSWR, and reduced power, but still clean, into even higher VSWR's without issue!
And, if you buy an amp with "the right tubes", they will last you many decades!   
(not sure how old you are, nor if you need to bequeath your ham gear to decedents, but I have 8877's,  8874's, and 3-500z's that are still CLEANLY putting out full power, and they are all over 40 years old!)


In my business, web hosting and dedicated server leasing, we rely on solid state these days rather than the old Hardware versions. So I'm with you all on that. I was actually leaning towards solid state but always kept coming back to the 9500 as the one to beat. It uses what I have read a single tube, not an 811 if I have read that correctly, but still a single tube that's readily available according to advertisements.
Yes, the '9500 uses a single 8877....which is as far from an 811, as a Ferrari is away from a Yugo!

 I'll have to look at that a little bit closer because that will be a deciding factor for me. I like the fact that an instant tune solid state is probably in my future.
If you require "instant-on", there are SS amps, yes....but also tube amps using the 3-500z tubes or the 3CX1200 tube (or the big 3CX3000 tube) are all also "instant-on"!

Smaller,
Some SS amps are smaller, yes...

quieter,
NONE are quieter!
Allow me to repeat that more clearly....almost all SS amps are "noisey" / "loud"! 
And, except for the OM Power tube amps, almost all tube amps are quieter!


but can it be a brick on 100% key down and never scream ouch? That remains to be seen.
If your asking this in regards to amateur SS amps?  The answer is no....they are none that will do this....sorry.  :(

I urge you all to keep this thread going because as you do I learn even more. That's one more thing I will readily admit - that I am always open to learning something new. Although I might write a post it seems to lean in a certain direction, I can also be moved in the opposite direction by those that have already invented the wheel so to speak. 
I have no desire to "move you in any direction"....just wish to get you some facts....problem is, there is a lot of "generality", but only when you start to define YOUR application / YOUR desire, can anyone start dealing in specifics!  :)


2)  Just to get you started, here are some very brief generalities:

a)  I compared many modern amateur HF amps...have a look.

https://www.eham.net/community/smf/index.php/topic,100600.msg809639.html#msg809639


b)  In general, SS amps cost more $$$ per watt....as well as usually needing a tuner (either built-in or external), unless all antennas present a VSWR of 1.5:1 or less. 


c)  General rules-of-thumb of modern Solid-State amateur HF amps:

----  Most SS amps are "instant-on", and require no "tuning" per se....just band-switching....(many can be controlled by the transceiver, providing totally smooth / seamless operations.....and many can also be run remotely, via IP controls)

----  In general, amateur SS amps are not "no-time-limit" / "brick-on-the-key" at 1500 watts / legal-limit out, but rather use some weird / quasi-deceptive marketing (such as "no-mode-limit", or "reduced output after xx seconds", etc.) to imply high-duty-cycle operations.  (in actual fact, they are all limited by their cooling capacity / ability to cool the device itself....and, most have temp sensors that fault-out the amp into "standby", once temps rise to their limits....some have "timers" that only allow constant carrier operations for 7 - 8 seconds, before faulting to low-power or standby....

---- Ironically, most modern SS ham amps will run "continuous carrier" at approx 50% - 70% of their rated/advertised outputs....and, this point (50% - 70% of advertised output) is also usually close to the amp's 1-db compression, which generally means that you can figure a linear output at approx the same power, or a bit lower....{yes, if comparing to legal-limit tube amps, this means that most SS ham amps that are advertised as "1500 watt amps" are really 750 to 900 watt amps....and those that are advertised as "1500+ watts" / "2000 watt max", etc. are actually 1000 - 1200 - 1300 watt amps... :( }

----  Solid-State amps have worse IMD products than tube amps, many times significantly worse.  (although, when looking at the better SS Amps, it is usually the transceiver's IMD that is worse)

----   Most modern amateur Solid-State amps (not their internal device specs, but the whole amp itself) have a 1-db compression point at approx 60% to 75% of their "advertised output" ---- yes, meaning that at their "advertised output", they are not running linearly!  :(

----   The only way to use most modern SS HF ham amps with good linearly, is to run them significantly below their rated/advertised outputs.  (although, still not as good as most tube amps)

----  All SS amps will need to be run into a matched load, with VSWR's of 2:1 or less....most will need VSWR's of 1.5:1 or less to produce full output, and anywhere close to clean linearity!

----  Due to the need to cool the device, most SS amps have rather loud (and annoying?) cooling fans.


d)  General rules-of-thumb of modern vacuum-tube amateur amps:

---- In general, tube amps are much cleaner / much more linear than SS amps.

---- In general, only the bigger tube amps (like Alpha) will be 100% duty-cycle, no-time-limit, "brick-on-the-key" at 1500 watts / legal-limit output.

---- In general, tube amps are much more forgiving than solid-state amps in regards to "oppss" moments!

---- In general, most tube amps will run their rated power into VSWR's of 3:1, and many will do into much higher VSWR's.....most will run VSWR's up-to or beyond 5:1 at reduced power, with good linearity and no damage.

----   Some tube amps have almost silent cooling (legacy Alpha's)....but, unfortunately, some are loud, like a jet engine (OM Power).

----  Eimac 8877 / 3CX1500a7 tubes are very linear, very rugged, and will last decades and decades....but if purchased new from Eimac/Richardson are wicked expensive (~ $1800)!  NOS (New Old Stock) Eimac 8877's are available for ~ $400 - $500 each, and will also last decades (in storage or in an amateur amp)...{fyi, I have four Eimac 8877's that are over 40 years old, and still running full-output, and wicked-clean and linear!  And, many, many other hams have the same experiences! }

---- Other ceramic-metal power-grid tubes (transmitting tubes), such as the 4CX1500b, 3CX3000, 8874's, etc. are also still made by Eimac, and some are decently priced and some are pricey!

----  8877/3CX1500a7 tubes made in China (with various "brand names" like Penta, Machet, etc.) are good, and many folks use them without issue for years....although some report slightly worse linearity and longevity, they sell for ~ $800 - $900, new, with warranty....

----  3-500z tubes (and all glass transmitting tubes these days, and for > 10 years) are all made in China....the "good ones" are sold in the US by RF Parts, for ~ $300 - $350 each, and come with warranty and should last you years of service....

----  other glass transmitting tubes, like the 811a, 572b, etc. are only made-in-China, and have sporadic reliability.....i.e. ya' pays ya' money ---- and ya' takes ya' chances!



As for what amp to buy?
That's a great question....may I suggest you read thru the pages and pages of discussions here....AND make sure you are making a decision for you and for your application / desire, not mine, not others..

As example, if all you want to do is rag-chew on SSB, then you do not need a "brick-on-the-key" amp, as well as not needing "instant-on", or "no-tuning", etc....and, if you're good at repair / circuitry, etc, then you do not need a "new" amp...however, if you're into contesting, or RTTY, etc., then a heavy-duty amp is called for, such as a "brick-on-the-key" Alpha...and, if you need instant-on and/or instant band-change with no "tune-up", then either an Alpha 9500 or a good solid-state amp (Expert 2K, or Flex Power Genius, or Elecraft 1500), might be good choices for you....

But, again, it should be your choice, based on your application / your desire, not mine or others....(the above are just random examples)


I do hope this helps.   (please read the many threads here discussing these matters, and assess them with your own application/desire in mind)

73,
John,  KA4WJA
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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2022, 09:20:45 AM »

Here it is, 2022..and no 'brick on key' SS amps, wtf?    And they all seem to output less power on 6M.   Good luck trying to use 6M EME..with it's 52-58 secs on / off cycle.   And what is out there sounds like either a shop vac...or vacuum cleaner.
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2022, 12:00:39 PM »

Jim,
Thanks...You make me smile...

Here it is, 2022..and no 'brick on key' SS amps, wtf?    And they all seem to output less power on 6M.   Good luck trying to use 6M EME..with it's 52-58 secs on / off cycle.   And what is out there sounds like either a shop vac...or vacuum cleaner.

1)  I suspect it's mostly due to device cooling issues...
Just like high-horsepower engines, etc....the "waste heat" has to go "somewhere"...
(dragsters only need to run full-throttle for a few seconds...)

I've often thought that water-cooling was the solution here, but that's as far as I went with it....just a passing thought.  hi hi.

The cooling requirements to dissipate > 1000 watts of heat coming from a very small device, continuously is pretty severe in context of our "amateur radio world"! 
It's that BTU per sq inch spec that is incredible!
To try to use solid copper "heat-spreaders" and wicked-smooth (and tight) heat-sink attachments, etc...
Just seems like a perfect place to use water cooling?
 
Even the amps that use two 1200-1800 watt devices (Mercury LUX, the RF-Kit 2K, and I think the Flex Power-Genius and/or the Elecraft 1500?), use two devices on the same board / same module!  (so, the cooling is spread maybe by one inch or so....hardly much help in trying to dissipate all the heat generated by "brick-on-the-key" operation...)

And, the amps that have multiple modules (Expert 2K, etc.) have multiple lower-powered modules...


2)  Secondly, I suspect the output matching components and output filters need to be significantly beefier than what is feasible (both "cost" and "space" concerns), as well as cooling needed to expel "waste heat" dissipated in the filters / output matching components.   


3)  Next, I suspect that having to protect the device(s) from not just over-temp, but also from other issues....might be a design vs. cost issue?


4)  And, finally....anyone that watches Tim, K3LR's weekly videos....you will mostly smile at the Alpha 77Dx sitting there on the operating desk....
You think if there were "better" options, he'd still have the 77Dx?   Not likely.  :)



Anyway, you all can also look at the absurdity of costs here...
If someone took a couple (two) Mercury LUX's (which supposedly will do 800 watts out in FT-8), or some other such "1500 watt SS amp"....water-cooled the whole board(s), using the normal air-cooling that's already there to cool the output filters, etc....and combined them together, you'd have a 1500 watt amp, that just maybe would do "brick-on-the-key" continuous (maybe?)...
But, what would that cost? 
> $10k!  ~ or > $12k? 
Ouch!

Bottom line, affordable amateur-radio solid state amps, are not capable of 1500 watts "brick-on-the-key"....
And, in my opinion, even if we define "affordable" as a few thousand dollars, it's doubtful they ever will be....


I could be wrong, but that's my view as of today.  :)

73,
John,  KA4WJA

P.S.  For the naysayers out there, who wonder who needs "brick-on-the-key" at 1500 watts (or 2250 watts, as in Canada)....I do agree it's a darn small share of hams....BUT...
But, when you have the opposite end of the amp users out there pushing their amps WAY beyond the limit (over on QRZ just yesterday, we have a guy querying about what went wrong [poof!] in his AL-811 with three 811'a, when he was using on FT-8 at 400 watts!!!!!!), and it seems that none (or damn few) even comprehend what IMD is, nor what the 1-db compression point of their amp is, etc....well, I'd rather have everyone that could afford it run a "brick-on-the-key" amp!

{btw, the 77Dx (which is "brick-on-the-key" at 1500w+ out) even if run 2 - 3db above legal-limit, hasn't reached its 1-db compression point.....and, while the 77Sx is a rare and expensive (~ $5k) bird, is (again, depending on transformer, is "brick-on-the-key" at 3000w out), even if run 5db over legal limit, the Alpha 77Sx isn't even close to its 1-db compression point...and, their signals are wicked-clean, even at many db above 1500w....so, who would rather have operating adjacent to your QSO, the guy banging the heck outa' an AL-811 (splattering all over), or a guy running a clean 1500+ watts from a "brick-on-the-key" amp? :) }
 
EDIT:  Sorry about the rant.  :)
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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2022, 01:46:46 PM »

"{btw, the 77Dx (which is "brick-on-the-key" at 1500w+ out) even if run 2 - 3db above legal-limit, hasn't reached its 1-db compression point..."

The 77Dx is the amp I can always count on.  It's one of the few units in the field that retains just one Eimac 8877.  Adding the second 8877 adds complexity during troubleshooting, is 2x the price of a single 8877 if a major failure occurs, marginal power supply transformer capacity for two tubes, requires upgraded fuses and RF output connector to safely operate a pair of 8877s.  And, the Pi-L is tapped from the factory for maximum efficiency with only one 8877 not two.  According to Dick Byrd, very few original 77Sx models came out of ETO -- by far the majority are upgraded 77Dx.  I'm not sure if the original 77Sx models left ETO with an optimized Pi-L network for elevated power.  The Pi-L output network must be re-tapped for optimum efficiency.  However, there's so much power gain that it largely goes unnoticed by 77Sx owners but those upgraded amps running full-tilt are not optimized for efficiency.

Yes, just one 8877.  I was convinced in college when I maintained a 3KW ERP FM station in Rockford, Illinois.  The station had an AEL FM 2.5K transmitter with one Eimac 8877 in the PA cavity that delivered 2,250W into 325 ft of 1-5/8" Andrew Heliax transmission line that fed a 3-bay circularly polarized antenna.  Add up the total gain less line loss and you get 3KW ERP from 2,250W.  The station ran that way 24/7 and had a 40-mile radius coverage area.   Why do I need or want two 8877s in my Alpha 77Dx for any reason other than "bragging rights?"

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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2022, 02:46:16 PM »

Paul,
Of course you do make some good points....and, while I disagree somewhat with a few of them....no worries here!
We all have our own views!  :)

Just a few minor differences....

The 77Dx is the amp I can always count on. 
Yep!  Agree 100%!

It's one of the few units in the field that retains just one Eimac 8877. 
:)


Adding the second 8877 adds complexity during troubleshooting,
Not that I've noticed...


is 2x the price of a single 8877 if a major failure occurs,
Yep, if you do lose both tubes.....that is twice the cost....

marginal power supply transformer capacity for two tubes,
Yes! 
But, it's way over-kill for one 8877....
And, you can get better/bigger transformers....


requires upgraded fuses and RF output connector to safely operate a pair of 8877s.
Hmmm...not that I'm aware of, at least not if you're not gonna' drive the beegeezes out of it....
Of course a 7 - 16 DIN is great....but, factory designed, RF out and fuses are good for the designed 4kw+ out.


  And, the Pi-L is tapped from the factory for maximum efficiency with only one 8877 not two.  According to Dick Byrd, very few original 77Sx models came out of ETO -- by far the majority are upgraded 77Dx. 

I'm not sure if the original 77Sx models left ETO with an optimized Pi-L network for elevated power. 
Yes, they did...
And, yes, I do have one "factory Sx"...and one conversion...


The Pi-L output network must be re-tapped for optimum efficiency. 
However, there's so much power gain that it largely goes unnoticed by 77Sx owners but those upgraded amps running full-tilt are not optimized for efficiency.
Yep, there are quite a few "mediocre" conversions around....:(


Yes, just one 8877.  I was convinced in college when I maintained a 3KW ERP FM station in Rockford, Illinois.  The station had an AEL FM 2.5K transmitter with one Eimac 8877 in the PA cavity that delivered 2,250W into 325 ft of 1-5/8" Andrew Heliax transmission line that fed a 3-bay circularly polarized antenna.  Add up the total gain less line loss and you get 3KW ERP from 2,250W.  The station ran that way 24/7 and had a 40-mile radius coverage area. 
I agree...one 8877 is usually all that is needed!  :)

 Why do I need or want two 8877s in my Alpha 77Dx for any reason other than "bragging rights?"
You don't "need" two 8877's....and neither do I.  :)
But, some do "want" two....

"Headroom" is the usual answer....but, for me it was always a "dream"!
Certainly not a practical approach to life in general, but we all make our own decisions, our own ways....yes?

As well as being more like a 3kw "brick-on-the-key" amp, or very close to it...
And, if you do have a better/bigger xformer, and make a few internal changes, it's now a 4kw - 5kw "brick-on-the-key" amp...
But, like I wrote....it's all in the eye of the beholder!  :)
And, certainly nobody "needs" two....
Heck, I own two 77Sx's!  (and, own four spare tubes!) What kind-of-a-fool am I?   Wait...wait, don't answer that!  :)



Paul, W9AC

Again Paul, I do thank you for your points.!

73,
John,  KA4WJA
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The PW-2 is supost to do 100% ccs any mode no time limit. The rumored price is about 10K$ Plus used  with the IC 7610 has very low IMD figures - PRE- distortion but is limitted to 1kw.







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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2022, 04:17:12 AM »

Rob,
You're welcome!

The way I'm now interpreting your question(s) is less about the Alpha 9500, and more like many of the questions here regarding amp selection....


Most people think I'm a decent, nice guy. I've given my life to public service since 1976 when I was originally licensed. I took time off for the military and then a career. I'm not new here but confess that there are things I don't know and so I ask.

TO BE BLUNT...

I don't need to be talked down to. Your condescending assumptions are suggestive of why new hams are afraid to ask questions.

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These are the typical: 
"what amp should I buy?" ....
"Solid-State or Vacuum-Tube?"

I asked about a high-end Alpha.

I'm sorry you felt the need to dismiss my question as being about selection and "asked and answered." That was just rude. I run a Facebook group with over 100k active users and I've learned to speak up. I would experienced HF user as well as having multiple repeaters on the air and being more than familiar with service monitors and other test equipment. We're going down a road that we didn't need to.

I have an assortment of amplifiers and I want better.  I appreciate quality and performance which is why I have a SteppIR. Great antenna; less power required. I want better. Based on friends that have the Alphas and the clean sound they seem to put out, that's the direction I was headed.

What this thread has brought out is selection. Because this thread took a detour I am now looking at the KPA-1500. It's current and it's solid state. It also has very good reviews. I'm also looking at the Palstar 1500w auto tuner. I've been spoiled running a SteppIR. Although the KPA will tune a 3:1 it's not a factor with a SteppIR. I'm upgrading because I am moving further north from the equator and want the edge. I'm also not going to die and leave my money to my kids.

I don't want to be a complete horse's patoot by not acknowledging the wealth of information that you have provided. To be candid, I know much of it. But there will be someone that comes along with the question that's been asked and answered. My comment here should not be a conversation ender.
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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2022, 05:50:01 AM »

Rob,
1)  Okay, you now let us know a tiny bit more:
I have an assortment of amplifiers and I want better.
While we still don't know what your use/application is, nor what assortment you have, nor what "better" means to you (more reliable, easier to tune, cleaner IMD, more power, 100% duty-cycle at full output, etc. etc. etc.?  we have no clue)
So....with that general "question"....here you go:

a)  In my opinion, the Alpha 77Dx is the finest desktop amateur HF amp ever made....
You can find a clean one, in good shape, for ~ $3000 - $4000, with a good 8877 in it.
The amp will last a lifetime!
The 8877 will last you many decades!  :)
It (and the 77Sx) is the cleanest (IMD) desktop amateur HF amp made.
Wicked reliable, extremely easy/quick tuning, etc. etc....

b)  In my opinion, the Henry 3KD-Premier 8877 is tied for second-place (along with my personal fav the Alpha 77Sx...but I won't bother to detail that again)
Henry didn't make that many (but you can find some other Henry 3K's that have been modified/upgraded to a 3KD-Premeir 8877, as well)....I haven't seen any for sale in a while, but have a look around, you never know.


c)  In my opinion, the Henry 8K Ultra (big, heavy, 2-piece unit....with desktop control box and remote amp console) is probably the finest amateur HF amp made....but it is not a desktop amp, and it ain't for the squeamish!  :) 
I've seen them sell for ~ $10k - $12k....but, I personally don't think I'd pay more than $6k - $8k
It, and its 3CX3000 tube, will last you for decades!
And, it's damn clean in IMD department as well!  :)
 

There you go...
In my opinion, those are the top 4 choices, in regards to "wanting better".
(if we had more info about what you interpret as "better", and what your application / use is, well then we could all probably give you more specific answers and most importantly the reasons that we recommend or not recommend a particular amp for you / your application)


If none of those appeal to you, or if none of those fit your application, or if none of those fit your definition of "better", then have another look at the Alpha 9500, and give Mike D. a call or email, at Alpha!
That would be my recommendation.


2)  As for me being rude?
Huh?  :(
{I'm not certain what Facebook (where I've never been, btw), your career, etc. has to do with answering your question(s) regarding the Alpha 9500, its "value", and/or other amp choices....nor do I grasp what could have possibly caused my polite (but, direct and blunt) comments to be so misunderstood....but, those are really ancillary matters....what matters here is that I tried to help / you get the answers that you desire / and we all part as friends....in my opinion, anything else is just "noise"?}

Seriously, to be blunt....I think you completely misinterpreted my posting!
And, I truly regret that!


I think I'm a pretty decent guy, too... :)
And, I never for one second tried to "talk down to you"! 
If that is how you perceived my attempt to help, there is nothing I can do now to "un-do" that....but..
But, if you do care to read the many other posts of mine, and/or drop me an email or phone call, I still wish to be of assistance.....(if you choose not to do so, no worries here)

Not to argue anything, but perhaps I should clarify?
You asked about the '9500....I (and others) answered you.
You asked for more but were not specific, so I answered you again with more info and mentioning that all I was able to do was answer in generalities as I didn't have any specifics.
I don't think there is anything wrong with any of that.

You seemed to take offense to my reference of the variety of questions to consider?
But, Rob, this wasn't meant as any personal attack ---- rather as a way to spur on some more specific info from you, so we could all provide you with further assistance.

Again, I think you simply misunderstood the effort that I was making to help.
And, that is regretful.  :(


Anyway, I do wish you well....and I do hope that whatever amp you choose you are happy with!
73,
John,  KA4WJA
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K7JQ

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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2022, 06:14:20 AM »


The PW-2 is supost to do 100% ccs any mode no time limit. The rumored price is about 10K$ Plus used  with the IC 7610 has very low IMD figures - PRE- distortion but is limitted to 1kw.

I looked at all the posted specs of the Icom PW-2, and nowhere does it say “100% CCS any mode no time limit”. What it *does* say is “1KW full duty cycle even for extended periods of time”. Whatever that means ;). It will operate comfortably in RTTY contests and FT8. But “1KW CCS, no time limit”?? I’d seriously question that before it trips on over-temperature.
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KB6DYA

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Re: Alpha 9500
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2022, 06:18:18 AM »

Sorry I am guilty of getting of topic. 73
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