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KK4GMU

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2022, 06:29:04 PM »

Part of being stealth in an HOA is not
bringing excess attention or triggering your neighbors by doing things that are too different or questionable.
Again spoken like a true ham. A blatant disregard to rules, and a threat to public safety. Being a professional engineer...
Wow.  Being a professional engineer, you lost focus of who wrote what.

I am the one who did NOT take the advice of others to hang a wire on a neighbor's tree.  I promote not giving others an excuse to take offense, including engineers who apparently live for being out to get others based on their own misinterpretations and erroneous assumptions.  Your comments are on the edge of slander.
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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2022, 05:33:29 AM »

AI5BC: 

I was a bit surprised to see your hostility in this thread.  I figured you might have just been having a bad day.  So, out of curiosity, I read back through some of your posts.  Looks like you have just under 200 posts on Eham.  I was only able to get through maybe a dozen before shaking my head and closing the page.  Of the posts I read, only one contained any real attempt to share knowledge--but unfortunately your arrogance and condescension just made it impossible for me to care what you were trying to share.

You might want to dial back the attitude of superiority a bit if you want to actually have people listen to you.  When I was much younger an uncle of mine gave me some good advice about working with others:  "It doesn't matter how smart you are or how good you are at something if people don't like you."   You should consider that advice.


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W9WQA

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2022, 07:40:10 AM »

Part of being stealth in an HOA is not
bringing excess attention or triggering your neighbors by doing things that are too different or questionable.
Again spoken like a true ham. A blatant disregard to rules, and a threat to public safety. Being a professional engineer i pride myself in putting hams in their place. I have shut down many hams in HOA's and I have both this website and QRZ to prove the point. For example, if you live in an area where there are electrical codes and code enforcement, I can shut any ham down with a vertical monopole. There is not a single one of them that can meet codes. Easy to prove the operator has a complete disregard of public safety. You erect an antenna with exposed live dangerous voltages without any barriers or warning signs. Hams go out of their way to conceal who they are. Very easy to prove. There are dozens of companies who make stealth antennas to intentionally violate all known basic safety practices. Go to QRZ and this website to seek advice how to do it. In fact, QRZ has been named in lawsuits, and the owner is so paranoid he no longer allows the public to view the conspiracy he takes part in. 

Just look at all the conspirators in this thread and hundreds more just like it. The owner of this site openly encourages violating all safety and electrical codes with a sticky    It's unhelpful to tell people to avoid HOAs and the like.. When i find a stealth antenna, I make all the neighbors aware of the danger and report them to authorities. So, keep it up guys, you make it easy.

wow what a wonderful man, amazing
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KD6VXI

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2022, 12:07:10 PM »

I would say go for it, he probably won’t even notice it. If he says anything I would just take it down and go to plan B.
Spoken like a true-blue ham. Total lack of respect for personal property, safety, etiquette, and basic operating principles. i would have your but in court and turn you code enforcement agency to teach you a lesson. You give hams a really bad well-earned reputation.

Likewise.  This attitude is just about the same as his.

As such, it typically lands the guy in the dentists office getting his teeth fixed.

--Shane
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KD6VXI

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2022, 12:09:02 PM »

AI5BC: 

I was a bit surprised to see your hostility in this thread.  I figured you might have just been having a bad day.  So, out of curiosity, I read back through some of your posts.  Looks like you have just under 200 posts on Eham.  I was only able to get through maybe a dozen before shaking my head and closing the page.  Of the posts I read, only one contained any real attempt to share knowledge--but unfortunately your arrogance and condescension just made it impossible for me to care what you were trying to share.

You might want to dial back the attitude of superiority a bit if you want to actually have people listen to you.  When I was much younger an uncle of mine gave me some good advice about working with others:  "It doesn't matter how smart you are or how good you are at something if people don't like you."   You should consider that advice.

I'd like to see what NEC codes you're violating hanging wires for antennas in trees.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
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AI5BC

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2022, 11:02:55 AM »

I'd like to see what NEC codes you're violating hanging wires for antennas in trees.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
Good question Shane but no one here wants to hear or see it.

225.26 Vegetation as Support.
Vegetation such as trees shall not be used for support of overhead conductor spans.

In addition, unless you bought a commercial antenna or know what wire type and size can be used, very few hams comply with Table 810.16 requiring hard drawn copper or copper clad steel wire. Most hams use house wire or soft drawn copper.

 
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W9WQA

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2022, 11:45:20 AM »

I'd like to see what NEC codes you're violating hanging wires for antennas in trees.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI

lets all get together and list all known problems from these terrible uses of trees...
me none, using forever.
Good question Shane but no one here wants to hear or see it.

225.26 Vegetation as Support.
Vegetation such as trees shall not be used for support of overhead conductor spans.

In addition, unless you bought a commercial antenna or know what wire type and size can be used, very few hams comply with Table 810.16 requiring hard drawn copper or copper clad steel wire. Most hams use house wire or soft drawn copper.
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W9IQ

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2022, 11:47:06 AM »

I'd like to see what NEC codes you're violating hanging wires for antennas in trees.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
Good question Shane but no one here wants to hear or see it.

225.26 Vegetation as Support.
Vegetation such as trees shall not be used for support of overhead conductor spans.

In addition, unless you bought a commercial antenna or know what wire type and size can be used, very few hams comply with Table 810.16 requiring hard drawn copper or copper clad steel wire. Most hams use house wire or soft drawn copper.

Article 225 applies to "Outside Branch Circuits and Feeders" et al. It does not apply to antennas.

- Glenn W9IQ
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W9WQA

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2022, 11:47:35 AM »

oops.

lets all get together and list all known problems from these terrible uses of trees...
me none, using forever. since i was licensed, mainly trees
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W9IQ

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2022, 12:45:02 PM »

oops.

lets all get together and list all known problems from these terrible uses of trees...
me none, using forever. since i was licensed, mainly trees

Don't worry about it. The code reference to trees and antennas was wrong. Carry on.

- Glenn W9IQ
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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2022, 12:52:19 PM »

I'd like to see what NEC codes you're violating hanging wires for antennas in trees.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
Good question Shane but no one here wants to hear or see it.

225.26 Vegetation as Support.
Vegetation such as trees shall not be used for support of overhead conductor spans.

In addition, unless you bought a commercial antenna or know what wire type and size can be used, very few hams comply with Table 810.16 requiring hard drawn copper or copper clad steel wire. Most hams use house wire or soft drawn copper.

Table 810.16 is an incorrect reference as well. The correct table is 810.52 for an amateur radio station. But the point is well taken that these conductor size requirements are often ignored.

- Glenn W9IQ
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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2022, 01:02:16 PM »


Article 225 applies to "Outside Branch Circuits and Feeders" et al. It does not apply to antennas.

- Glenn W9IQ
Someone has a problem with reading comprehension and does not know what a conductor span is. Again, blatant disregard to electrical codes and safety.
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W9IQ

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2022, 01:08:16 PM »


Article 225 applies to "Outside Branch Circuits and Feeders" et al. It does not apply to antennas.

- Glenn W9IQ
Someone has a problem with reading comprehension and does not know what a conductor span is. Again, blatant disregard to electrical codes and safety.

You may wish to gain a fuller understanding regarding the structure of the code. In particular, read 90.3 Code Arrangement. It contains this pertinent statement:

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Chapter 8 covers communication systems and is not subject to the requirements of Chapters 1 through 7 except where the requirements are specifically referenced in Chapter 8.

If you would like, I can share my cross reference map from chapter 8 - 225.26 is not referenced.

- Glenn W9IQ
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KD6VXI

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2022, 04:46:14 AM »

I'd like to see what NEC codes you're violating hanging wires for antennas in trees.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
Good question Shane but no one here wants to hear or see it.

225.26 Vegetation as Support.
Vegetation such as trees shall not be used for support of overhead conductor spans.

In addition, unless you bought a commercial antenna or know what wire type and size can be used, very few hams comply with Table 810.16 requiring hard drawn copper or copper clad steel wire. Most hams use house wire or soft drawn copper.

That is for support of overhead conductors.  Specifically branch circuits.

To Wit:

"In Article 225.26, the NEC states:
Vegetation such as trees SHALL NOT be used for support of Overhead Conductor Spans.
(exception: For temporary wiring in accordance with Article 305)"

Antennas are NOT covered by that article in NEC.  They are covered in article 230, as well as more in depth in article 810.

"Only power service-drop or overhead service conductors shall be permitted to be attached to a service mast. Service masts used for the support of service-drop or overhead service conductors shall be installed in accordance with 230.28(A) and (B)."

810.21 states that if you use a metallic support for the antenna, it must be grounded.

"Ground outdoor masts (and metal structures that support antennas) in accordance with 810.21 [810.15]."

Failing to see any of these that support your theory.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
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KD6VXI

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Re: Using tree branch overhanging my property
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2022, 04:54:49 AM »


Article 225 applies to "Outside Branch Circuits and Feeders" et al. It does not apply to antennas.

- Glenn W9IQ
Someone has a problem with reading comprehension and does not know what a conductor span is. Again, blatant disregard to electrical codes and safety.

You are correct in that someone doesn't understand what a branch circuit or an overhead conductor span is.

I suggest you look up branch circuit.  Since that is what the code is referencing with regards to what you posted.  Which has nothing to do with either a transmitting or receiving antenna (of which NEC does NOT differentiate).

I'm still waiting for you to show us something, anything, from article 810 that says we cannot use a tree as a support.

You are correct in table 810.16 states an aluminum alloy, hard drawn copper, copperweld type wire, etc.

Everything else you purport as code is just jibberish.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
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