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AK4YA

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Re: Ladderline & interference during a co-located 1 foot run of 2 other lines
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2022, 07:25:36 AM »

Ladderline is nice in that it is very low loss, but it's extremely complicated to protect that system from lightning because there is no way to conduct the lightning safely to ground.  You may want to give that some thought. 

I have a lot of lightning, a lot more than I ever expected, living in north Alabama.  I see you live in Prattville.  As much as I would like to use ladderline for some things, I can't do it because I would have major damage within a month due to the frequency of lightning.  I lost count of the number of strikes on my 70 ft (to the top of the mast) of my tower, after about 20 direct strikes.  I have a good grounding system and have had no damage so far.

Congratulations on the new house.

Jerry, K4SAV

Hey Jerry -  I did get this:
https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-llsp

Would that not be sufficient?  Because I REALLY like my 50ft high wideband doublet on this balanced tuner!
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K4SAV

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Re: Ladderline & interference during a co-located 1 foot run of 2 other lines
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2022, 08:04:26 AM »

The problem is not the entrance box.  It's the fact that ladderline will vaporize with the first lightning pulse, leaving nothing but an ionized trail for the successive pulses that follow.  Fingers from that trail will split off and attach themselves to everything that looks like ground.

I took a bag of 6 inch ladderline fragments to a radio club meeting once and passed it around.  There was no copper at all left in the fragments.  They were all amazed.

Jerry, K4SAV
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W4MSL

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Re: Ladderline & interference during a co-located 1 foot run of 2 other lines
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2022, 05:55:21 AM »

Richard,

You said "ladder line," by which I take you to mean "window line" based on your use of a small PVC conduit for the entry point. I used a standard plastic stud-mounted electrical box to which I affixed a 1.5"  PVC adapter and a short run of PVC off the back of that adapter through the wall to just abut the vinyl siding. A small horizontal slit in the siding (centered on the conduit) allows the window line to go through the siding directly into the conduit. No contact with readily combustible material. A solid nylon box plate cover is used inside, w a horizontal slit to allow the window line to pass through.  The slit in the siding is narrow enough to maintain tension on the line itself so that it doesn't move unless pulled deliberately in either direction. If you were to use a double or triple electrical box and drill holes for conduit adapters at opposite corners on the diagonal,  that would give a bit of space between your window line and coax runs. Smaller PVC and fittings should suffice for the coax.

I do have a giant DPDT knife switch several feet from the entry point. One pole is tied to the adjacent grounding system, and the other to the window line entering the station. Line from the antenna goes to the center posts of the switch. I keep the antenna grounded when not in use, and never use the antenna when lightening threatens. The ground wire from the switch is about 1' from a 10' ground rod, which is one of five (5) such rods spaced 25' apart, with the 5th being right beneath the electrical entry panel. A 4awg unbroken solid copper wire runs from the panel to each successive rod and knife switch and is thermally welded to each rod. A 2" copper strap is solidly clamped to the 5th ground rod, and has a short run through the wall a few feet from the window line entry point. All equipment is attached to ground inside using 1" tinned braid, which terminates on the solid copper ground bus to which the copper strap is securely bonded. After the knife switch and before the line enters the house, I placed a set of bleeder resistors to drain static from the antenna system when it is not directly grounded w the knife switch (i.e., during operation). There is concrete evidence of a prior direct lightening strike on a tree 25' or so from the station. That was before we purchased this house six years ago, but it serves as a visible reminder. Too close in both time and distance for complacency. So, maybe I'm not actually being paranoid about effective grounding.  I also installed a Type 1 meter-based SPD, a Type 2 whole house breaker-panel SPD and use Type 3 SPDs on all station outlets, including the 240V circuit. Hopefully, a grounded antenna and these SPDs will afford some protection against surges induced by a nearby (non-direct) lightening strike. But nothing would protect against a direct strike to my wire antenna in its ungrounded state.
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WA8NVW

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Re: Ladderline & interference during a co-located 1 foot run of 2 other lines
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2022, 01:19:10 PM »

I think you'll find that the latest version of National Electric Code and the new ARRL book on Grounding both specify a minimum of #6 wire (or flat copper strap) for the protective ground connection between your indoor station and outdoor grounding system.  This should be run in a separate piece of PVC from the RF feedline, whether balanced line or coaxial cable is used.
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