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KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« on: October 27, 2022, 06:40:30 PM »

Mr. Stone, if that is who he really is, got $140 from me for a radio he claims to have had that I was trying to find for a long time.  He insisted the payment via PayPal Friends & Family which was a red flag. He said it needed to go to his son-in-law because he closed his PayPal account and it wouldn't cost him a fee by F&F.  Almost a month later, and three e-mails, the last of which said he hasn't sent the radio because his daughter has been sick, I still don't have it.   

Tonight, he says he can't find a USPS or FedEx that will take the package but, he has a shipping service that will get it to me for an additional $100.  Just another confirmed scammer using an e-mail address of:  Curtis W Stone Jr <curtisjrstonekf5yd@gmail.com>.  So, if he responds to a want ad, just delete his message as he is just a liar and a thief.  Further investigation revealed he no longer lives in the same place as his QRZ address shows.  My payment went to a Ronald James at:  <ronaldjames4799@gmail.com> who was supposedly his son-in-law. 

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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2022, 01:57:57 AM »

Sorry you got burned!  I got burned via PP more than 15 years ago and now
it's in-person buy/sell or no deal.(unless I am willing to lose "whatever")
 
You always take a chance but online is worse.

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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2022, 02:08:02 AM »

 I have no sympathy for anyone sending complete strangers PayPal Friends & Family.

 Are they "friends"? No.
 Are they "family"? No.   

                                           Tom KH0/KC0W
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2022, 03:02:47 AM »

 That’s why I never use those methods of payment, never have and never will. It’s a no brainer for me
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2022, 03:42:55 AM »

Pretty simple.

You had red flags and ignored them.

His email address?  Who puts Jr in the middle.  I would have stopped. Right. There.

Sorry you got burned.  When people whine about the 2.9 pct PayPal fee, and I REALLY want the item, I pay goods and services and add the fee.  They get their money, in the amount they want, and I get protection.

I actually had one person REFUND my money.  I am almost sure if I had done friend nds and family, I would have been burned.

Basically, you committed fraud unwittingly against PayPal, at the behest of another person committing fraud.


Sucks, but everything said is true.

--Shane
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2022, 07:36:24 AM »

The first red flag was that the QRZ profile does not show an email address which is a favorite for scammers. The second is that Curtis W Stone Jr. from Texas died in 2012. The third is that Curtis W Stone Sr who appeared to live at the QRZ address in 2017 if still alive would be 88 years old. Those who do not follow due diligence and send cash blindly to strangers have only blame themselves to blame. Is not very difficult to spot a scammer as they all follow the same MO. It appears that you might be either defaming a dead person or a very old one who I doubt would be that technological savvy or in the internet scamming business.
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2022, 09:12:23 AM »

Most scammers seem to use Gmail email addresses with the persons whole name in the email address, or their first name and call.  Those are pretty easy to spot today.  Received one myself yesterday for a tuner I wanted.  Asked for a picture and they send a picture of the wrong tuner.  Of course they wanted paypal Friends and Family which I would have never sent.

73 John AF5CC
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2022, 09:30:54 AM »

It had EVERY red flag.

As an aside i recall a story from the '90's about a trucker that sent a pipe bomb to a ham-cb scammer. Makes me feel all warm inside recalling it except the trucker got busted for it...
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2022, 10:48:01 AM »

Unless you are absolutely sure of the true identity of the individual you mention, I would be careful with the inflammatory language. 
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2022, 01:12:44 PM »

It had EVERY red flag.

As an aside i recall a story from the '90's about a trucker that sent a pipe bomb to a ham-cb scammer. Makes me feel all warm inside recalling it except the trucker got busted for it...

Yeah, and it tore both the kid and his mother up.

That was a deal gone bad on rec.radio.cb on usenet.  Kid was scamming quite a few people.  He got that poor truck driver for a cobra 2000 and sent him a brick in a box back.  So, the truck driver sent a pipe bomb back to his house.

Unfortunately, the kids mother opened it.



I was part of the FBI investigation (came and visited me at the company apartment I was staying at in Oklahoma) as I was really active on the usenet channel it went down on, had threads and email with both the kid and the truck driver.

Sad all the way around.  People dead over a CB radio.


--Shane
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K7IN

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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2022, 01:21:45 PM »

Well, every one of you are right.  I know all the 'red flags' and this guy talked a good story so, I decided to trust him.  I didn't find anything about him having died in 2012 but, was living at a different address than shown on QRZ.  The picture he sent was nowhere to be found on the 'net after searching.  So, 100% my fault and this was the first (and only) time I will use F&F unless for someone I personally know.  I pretty much wrote it off until yesterday's message telling me he couldn't find anyone available to ship it and that just confirmed the clown as a scammer.  Lesson learned.  I would have enjoyed it much more if I had just stuck that $140 in a slot machine...  There certainly won't be a 'next time'.
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2022, 02:54:21 PM »

Pretty simple.

You had red flags and ignored them.

His email address?  Who puts Jr in the middle.  I would have stopped. Right. There.

Sorry you got burned.  When people whine about the 2.9 pct PayPal fee, and I REALLY want the item, I pay goods and services and add the fee.  They get their money, in the amount they want, and I get protection.

I actually had one person REFUND my money.  I am almost sure if I had done friend nds and family, I would have been burned.

Basically, you committed fraud unwittingly against PayPal, at the behest of another person committing fraud.


Sucks, but everything said is true.

--Shane
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Exactly this ^^^.

That’s why I never use those methods of payment, never have and never will. It’s a no brainer for me

Your choice of course but you're likely missing out on many things and safer payment methods....

Sorry you got burned!  I got burned via PP more than 15 years ago and now
it's in-person buy/sell or no deal.(unless I am willing to lose "whatever")
 
You always take a chance but online is worse.



Not really. Many folks are actually misinformed about online payment methods. Buying has never been safer. If you send somebody a cashier's check or a personal check and end up getting burned then you really have no recourse. Maybe a civil claim in small claims court and if you're lucky then maybe local police at the seller's location - if you really have it - will pursue charges but usually not and you end up with nothing and lose your money.

Ditto if you pay cash, even in person. That is only marginally safer and only if you can thoroughly test whatever it is that you're buying. And if it blows up in your face a week later, you paid cash so no paper trail and seller can claim innocence and tell you to bug off.

OTOH, if you pay with a good, reputable online company such as PayPal and play by the rules, then you will usually get your money back if things go south. PayPal will do everything in their power to get money back from the seller. But ONLY if you use goods & services and don't screw PayPal out of their (really small & worth it) 2.9% fee.

I use both online & offline payment methods and try to always do due diligence before purchasing when needed and I've (so far, knock on wood) never been burned in 20+ years but maybe I'm just lucky, who knows? 
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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2022, 03:11:07 PM »

In order to avoid F&F payments, simply offer to 'gross up' the payment. Some people mess up the math for this by thinking you can just add 2.9% to the purchase price. Instead, divide the purchase price by 97.1% or 0.971 (100% - 2.9 % or 1 - 0.029).

So, for example, if the seller wants $100, pay him $102.99 ($100/0.971). PayPal will charge 102.98 * 2.9% or $2.99 which makes him whole for the $100.

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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2022, 04:06:34 PM »

Well, every one of you are right.  I know all the 'red flags' and this guy talked a good story so, I decided to trust him. 

That's why they call them "confidence men", AKA "con men".
They can talk a good game to gain your trust.

He also caused you to erroneously defame an innocent man!

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Re: KF5YD Curtis Stone Jr. First Class Scammer, Liar, and Thief!
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2022, 06:40:45 PM »

It had EVERY red flag.

As an aside i recall a story from the '90's about a trucker that sent a pipe bomb to a ham-cb scammer. Makes me feel all warm inside recalling it except the trucker got busted for it...

Chris Marquis. I remember it well. It was related to the UseNet Newsgroup rec.radio.cb. Chris Dean sent the bomb.

I was a home based dealer, selling antennas and radio back then. I got a call from the FBI. It was quite scary.

More about it here:

https://www.wired.com/1998/12/murder/

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