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WB8PFZ

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Sylvania 3-500 tube
« on: November 07, 2022, 04:34:10 AM »

Did Sylvania make 3-500Z tubes or are they rebranded? Thanks Mike
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W1QJ

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2022, 05:19:15 AM »

If you have one it’s probably re-branded.
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W3SLK

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2022, 05:55:10 AM »

I have a pair of 3-400Z's with the Sylvania brand on them.
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VE7RF

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2022, 05:57:31 AM »

I have a pair of 3-400Z's with the Sylvania brand on them.

How old are they ?   Do they have a date code on em?
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W3SLK

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2022, 06:05:53 AM »

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How old are they ?   Do they have a date code on em?
I'll have to look when I get home. I have had them for at least 20 years. They came in the RCA SB-1K marine amp I bought along with a set of Amperex's. Neither pair have a plate cap only the pin coming up out of the envelope. The use an 'asterisk' type of heat-sink/plate cap. Not the common HR-6 pagoda style.
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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2022, 07:26:23 AM »

I had a 3-500Z that was RCA.  Not sure who made it , but skeptical it was RCA.
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W3SLK

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2022, 04:51:10 AM »

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VR2AX

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2022, 08:48:12 AM »

The original Drake L4 (not L4B) used Eimac 3-400z (pair). There is a single design 3-400z amp in the ARRL handbook for 1966 or 1967. The 3-400 is slightly shorter than the 3-500, hence L4 owners have to watch carefully plate cap placement and make sure enough clearance exists to the top cover.
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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2022, 09:19:35 AM »

Eimac made glass tubes for several companies in the 60's thru 80's under what was called "Other Labeled" program. Included were RCA, Sylvania and GE. Possibly others. The labelling was done with rubber stamps with logos supplied by the firms ordering the tubes. Warranty was handled by the firms taking delivery of the product. 
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VR2AX

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2022, 09:52:27 AM »

I can personally vouch for the fact that up to 1973 Eimac produced a catalog(ue) which said nothing other than that they made their products under their own then brand somewhere in America. It was a good 1 inch thick and I bought a pair of their products by direct import, around 1974 or 1975. Sold without ever using to a G3T.. from the UK West Country, around 1977, handed over at the M4 Severn Bridge motorway service station on a freezing cold day, the Eimac boxes just fitted in the small boot (trunk) of my Triumph TR6.
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VE7RF

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2022, 12:40:35 AM »

Eimac made glass tubes for several companies in the 60's thru 80's under what was called "Other Labeled" program. Included were RCA, Sylvania and GE. Possibly others. The labelling was done with rubber stamps with logos supplied by the firms ordering the tubes. Warranty was handled by the firms taking delivery of the product.

I had 4-1000's that were made by RCA..and also Pentalab.  The RCA branded tube was also labelled 'JAN' which I was told was...'joint army navy'.  Also had the usual Eimac branded  4-1000's....and all 3 labels ran like a top. I have one Eimac  4PR-1000 left, but it's labeled 'soft'...I keep it for nostalgic reasons.
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VE7RF

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2022, 12:54:39 AM »

The original Drake L4 (not L4B) used Eimac 3-400z (pair). There is a single design 3-400z amp in the ARRL handbook for 1966 or 1967. The 3-400 is slightly shorter than the 3-500, hence L4 owners have to watch carefully plate cap placement and make sure enough clearance exists to the top cover.

Good point.  The original L4 used Eimac flush mounted sockets, so the shorter 3-400Z was a non issue.  With a taller 3-500Z plugged in, it could then be a height issue.   The L4B that came out in 1969, used recessed Johnson sockets, so the taller 3-500Z was a non issue.

The Johnson sockets HAVE to be recessed, since the airflow is via the space on all 4 x sides of the recessed socket.  On the Eimac sockets (black plastic ones), the airflow is through the center of the socket.

On a side note, when using the flush mounted Eimac METAL sockets (SK-400 for the 3-400Z / 3-500Z / 4-400A/B/C)...and esp the SK-500 (4-1000), folks would remove the pin assy, then slice the entire bottom off the metal socket assy. That would increase the airflow by a significant amount, by reducing back pressure.   Another trick back then was to cut out every 2nd hole (with tin snips) on the metal shell on 4-1000's, and also 4-400 tubes.  But you still had all the airflow having to initially flow through the holes in the ceramic base of the tube.

I notice on all 4 of my L4B amplifiers, with the top lid off (and HV interlock temp defeated), the amp is de-tuned, esp on 20-10m. The top steel lid adds more stray C, when installed.
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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2022, 03:34:06 AM »

At one time, Sylvania branded tubes were made in France as well as the US.
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VR2AX

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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2022, 10:52:04 AM »

I notice on all 4 of my L4B amplifiers, with the top lid off (and HV interlock temp defeated), the amp is de-tuned, esp on 20-10m.

I would only contemplate with brown trousers and bicycle clips..

There is a photo of my L4 (now ex) on the qrz page of my UK call, GW3YGH. I have a vague recollection the height of the top cover was slightly less than the height of the L4B. Drake's transition from L4 to L4B was not all in one go. Note for example, the small ALC/standby knob at bottom left, not present on the original L4, I think maybe a factory upgrade. There are quite a few others, I documented them once.
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Re: Sylvania 3-500 tube
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2022, 02:11:27 PM »

I notice on all 4 of my L4B amplifiers, with the top lid off (and HV interlock temp defeated), the amp is de-tuned, esp on 20-10m.

I would only contemplate with brown trousers and bicycle clips..

There is a photo of my L4 (now ex) on the qrz page of my UK call, GW3YGH. I have a vague recollection the height of the top cover was slightly less than the height of the L4B. Drake's transition from L4 to L4B was not all in one go. Note for example, the small ALC/standby knob at bottom left, not present on the original L4, I think maybe a factory upgrade. There are quite a few others, I documented them once.

I think all the mods were done in one shot..when the L4B came out in 1969.  Like the ALC knob / standby / operate knob, tubes to 3-500Z's.... and also the metering.  The L4 didn't have the 300/3000 frwd..and 300 w rvs functions.  Before the 50K bleeders in series, it used to be 2 x 100k in parallel.

Dunno how either version of the L4/B would work on 50 hz.  The marginal blower would run slower on 50 hz.   With a few mods, it's a good amp..and reliable.  'easy' to modify.
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