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K1QQQ

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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« on: November 22, 2022, 12:10:23 AM »

Wonder why the thread of this has no REPLY ability.

A short note that at present times rights to VIDEO/AUDIO of anything is under serious attack !! Photos !!! Government and Police HATE any of such !!

Many say our constitutional rights give us the freedom of taking a picture or recording audio at least on public property. Try such on the police. Try anything government from a public place. Some say you need a license to do such. Yes..there are various different legal recording laws in the various states but as to private conversations. Pictures from public property ? (I wonder about private..a picture ?)

As to ....Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51  All I would think is if something was a danger to the national security (or local or ?) maybe prohibitions necessary. BUT anything ?
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2022, 03:30:33 AM »

Isn't it obvious?
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2022, 04:17:44 AM »

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Snooping on Area 51 ? Pure ignorance and stupidity.
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2022, 04:37:46 AM »

 The thread has been locked, that is why you can’t reply to it.
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KD6VXI

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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2022, 05:27:26 AM »

Pretty simple.  He's an idiot and decided to do what he was told not to do.

Cut and dry.

We, the people, do NOT have the right to know everything our government has and does.  National security and such means that everyone in the world doesn't have the right to know what our government, military and 3 letter agencies are up to.

You just don't.

And when you do stupid things, you win stupid prizes.

Like, going to prison.  Being locked up.  Having your rights removed.  Losing your ham ticket.  The list goes on.

The thread got locked because more stupid people decided to chime in with their BS.  It's really a shame our governments (local and federal) don't value educating our citizens.  If they did, we wouldn't have idiots running around thinking they can snoop on places like Area 51.  Instead, we make sure our population is a bunch of idiots and utterly polarized.  This, translated, means easily manipulated.


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WA9AFM

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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2022, 05:39:36 AM »

Lucky he just got arrested.  As I recall, there are signs on the perimeter of Area 51 which state 'deadly force is authorized'.
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2022, 06:05:19 AM »

Shane is exactly right, to many idiots running around our country nowadays. Just drive down an intercity highway at rush hour. You will see many. The idiot population seems like it has almost doubled in the past few years at least that is my observations.
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WA1UIL

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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2022, 06:42:44 AM »

Seems in today's culture is not what the subject brings to the audience but the number of "likes" one gets for their video. 'Likes' equate to money for the "influencer "and the crazier the better. My $$ is on K6LAS was shooting a video to post and got snagged where he KNEW he wasn't supposed to be. Unfortunately all and more profits from possible video will be sucked up in his legal fees. No sympathy from this OM for sure. 
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K4SSS

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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2022, 09:04:31 AM »

Back in the 1980s I flew F-4G Wild Weasels for many years out of George AFB, Victorville, California with the 562TFTS and 563TFS, and a full 75% of our "routine training missions" were flown in the Nellis Ranges, the extremely classified ranges northwest of Las Vegas/Nellis AFB, Nevada.  We all had Top Secret clearances, and in addition had signed NDA's (non-disclosure agreements) regarding anything we might see while flying there.  Oddly, these ranges were controlled by DOE (Department of Energy), and there was a definitive "pecking order" as to whom (USAF, Navy, Marine, etc.) were allowed to fly around Tonopah Test or Area 51 on any given day, but due to the nature of our work and clearances, etc., we Weasels were never forbidden to fly, though we my have restrictions.  I had just transferred to George AFB from the 81TFS Wild Weasel squadron (Spangdahlem AB, Germany) and within a week found myself selected to fly a now declassified Constant Peg mission (look it up).  While flying I made the mistake of drawing a picture of the MiG 21 on my knee card and during our mission debrief my Flight Lead, an old crusty Vietnam War vet, caught glimpse of it and casually picked it up, ripped it into pieces, and chewed my ass out. Days later while prepping to fly I read the NOTAMs (notices to airmen) and discovered that all the Nellis Ranges were closed to flying, with the exception of the Wild Weasels.  We were however, restricted to fly from only the ground up to 10,000 MSL.  Now the ground out there is around 4500' and that doesnt give you much room to play, so I kept my eyes glued on both my flight lead and to the sky that day, when lo and behold, there it was (and now declassified), the Stealth Fighter (Wobbly Goblin, F-117), flying right above me!  It was a crazy experience and just one of many that I would later have over the next few years.  Now, to give you an idea of just how off-limits and classified Area 51 is:  even when the Nellis Ranges are open to the "general public," NO ONE WITH NO EXCEPTION IS ALLOWED TO FLY WITHIN ITS BORDERS, which are well depicted on any flying chart, and I have flown its perimeter 100's of times, all the while knowing the consequences of violating its borders.  And yet, there is always some idiot pilot(s) that that think that they can fly low and fast and sneak in without being seen, only to be met after they land by many serious armed men with seriously bad attitudes that will handcuff them, strip search them on the tarmac, and take their cameras and anything else as evidence.  Later, they will have their flight wings taken and be bounced from the service!  Typically this happened during some Red Flag or Green Flag Flying Excercise (out of Nellis AFB), when some newby jet-jockey who thinks they're bullet proof will deliberately fly into Area 51 Restricted Airspace and later claim they were lost.  Yeah right, as if Area 51 hasn't heard every excuse in book in the past 50 years..!  On one such occasion I was actually flying out of Nellis AFB when I observed two Marine aircraft enter Area 51.  Upon landing and while taxiing to park I saw the two Marine pilots spread eagled on the tarmac, much as I mentioned above.  What fools. If you've stayed with me this long I hope it has sunk in that playing games around Area 51 just isn't worth it, and you'll most likely disappear like a ghost when your caught, and you will be...   
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2022, 09:24:38 AM »

Having family that worked on the SR and U2 project (as I've written about before), it was amazing what they kept from even them during the cold war.

My grandfather started with Skunkworks in Burbank and later moved to the Mojave Desert (Lancaster) when Plant 42 came about and Lockheed moved Skunkworks there (it was always thrilling when we would be heading up highway 14 and Lockheed would have the doors open, every once in a while you'd see a tidbit!!!).  Before it became public where they where going, my grandfather would have to pack a weeks worth of clothes and board a bus on the Burbank Airport tarmac (where Skunkworks started).  Then they started a 9 to 14 hour drive in busses with blacked out windows, all through the high desert.  He really didn't like that aspect of it, he said, but when 'Palmdale' became common knowledge he moved to Lancaster for quite a long time.

Later I would start military contracting on Edwards, Plant 42, China Lake NAWS and Vandenberg (before it became a 'Space Force' base).  On some of these bases you will have National Reconnaissance Office buildings, NASA, CIA and others.  I've been in some of them.  The security is just amazing....  Not so much 'guys with guns' but the electronic countermeasures.  I'll say this, TEMPEST isn't completely published and some of the things we had to do to meet guidelines where pretty hard.

Out of all the facilities I'd been on, China Lake was probably the most open, but that was because it was so expansive.  You could see 'something' going on somewhere else but if you didn't have clearance granted by that area of the base's commander, you'd never see it.

One time, at Skytop on China Lake NAWS (there are pics of it online, a missile and rocket test facility on the CLPL) we raised a question of how would we be able to take pictures so we could bill for the work we had accomplished, as we accomplished it...  As is standard for contractors.  Can we bring a standard camera in?  No.  Can we use a digital camera? No.  You can ask us to take a picture.  Then we will take it to the proper 'people' and have it declassified.  At that point you will get a token that says yes the work is completed and it is ok to pay.

Working on secret and higher places is fun, exciting, even exhilarating.  But what a pain in the ass!

And no, there aren't any 'area 51' tunnels that connect VELA bases, Area 51 bases, etc.  :)  Because that question almost always comes up.


--Shane
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2022, 01:14:12 PM »

Not to beat a long deceased horse.....Mr Arnu was not arrested

According to his statements he had a federal search warrant served by agents of the FBI's Las Vegas field office. The origin for the request clearly originated from the AFOSI. A federal judge had to sign this based on investigators probable cause to believe evidence of a crime was present on the premises. Regardless of Mr Arnu's beliefs and protestations (the government is trying to silence him, etc) in the immediate future no one will know precisely what is going on since this is an ongoing investigation.

As nearly everyone has pointed out, this is a secure facility and much of the work done there is highly classified. The Air Force OSI takes it's counterintelligence role seriously.

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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2022, 03:20:25 PM »

1. He's been running this "cat and mouse" game as a business for over 25 years.
2. More important, a felony conviction could cost him his amateur radio license.

-Mike.
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KF5JOT

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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2022, 01:45:51 AM »

Long years back, did some work in an area west of Nellis. Part of our security briefing was that should we disregard certain directives and protocols, we were at that point to consider ourselves “active targets of opportunity” and if we survived, we would be then prosecuted.
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2022, 08:15:20 AM »

What is the big deal.
When you poke the bear you get bit...
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Or is this thread to BASH a fellow ham.
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Re: K6LAS arrested for snooping on Area 51-PS
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2022, 08:38:06 AM »

Nobody is "BASHING" a fellow ham.  Everyone is bashing an idiot who has been "poking the bear!"

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