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RAYSTEEL

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New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« on: November 24, 2022, 08:38:20 AM »

Hello,  we are in BC Canada and getting into ham.  The current world situation is enough for us to take steps in the "just in case" scenario.

While I study and learn Id like to invest into something portable to get started,  what handhelds would be recommended?

We live in an area outside the city limits with mountains on 3 sides of us.  We have friends that are getting into this as well and they are on the other side of the mountains up to 50 miles away.

Any suggestions?
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2022, 09:09:07 AM »

i use kx2 small radio but great for backpacking to take with you 10 to 80 meters.i also have ft 817 small radio too
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JACKIE GREEN

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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2022, 10:35:30 AM »

portable? battery powered? lots of choices... i have owned nearly every portable radio built in the last 20+ years... but there are variables:

- cost, such as what is your price range? new or used?
- features, such HF and VHF? or just HF?
- weight, physical dimensions, limitations?
- tuner required, or will you use resonant antennas, or a mag loop?

i sold all my 'boat anchor' old rigs in the past two years... now i only have 'portable' radios: TX-500, IC-705, CTX-10, FT-818, and the semi-official POTA radio, the FT-891

portable means different things to different hams... Kenwood actually had a mobile mount for the TS-570, but it was not a mobile radio - but i have seen some ops use it portable

good luck on your ham radio journey...
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RAYSTEEL

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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2022, 01:34:51 PM »

Hahahaha well I feel like a newbie for sure.

Ok I have ton to learn.  I guess I should start with something that could allow me to grow with if that's possible.  I like options and not something I would end up throwing away.

As I mentioned I'm totally new but I know this is something I need to know.  I'm one of these what if guys and I do want t o take as mane precautions as  I can just in case the world doesn't go the way Id like.

So for me portable means at this stage something I can take with me in the car/truck,  this could be handheld or more stationary. 

My goal is to be able to communicate with my family who are approx. 300 miles away.  We have a good many mountains between here and the coast.  Lets us a price range of 750 for now and see if anything comes close to my demands.

I imagine my inexperience may frustrate the knowledge and I apologize for this.  Im not sure any other way to fast track this as I also start studying the basic ham course once the book gets here. 

The end game for us is being able to communicate to others if all other forms of communication goes down, particularly my family even if I am on the road trying to make my way to them in a real bad situation.

I hope that makes sense?  Would I have options to grow the equipment as I grow or do I buy something cheap for now and learn then upgrade? Do they make portable antennas that would make communicating possible if I was stuck in some serious mountain areas that we have here in BC?

This would be my starting point.

Thanks for writing your original response I now stick my neck out and wait for your response ;-)
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2022, 02:17:23 PM »

ARRL and QST's newest technical editor, KE0OG, has a website dedicated to your question...simply Google his call sign. Not everyone agrees with his recommendations, however I started my ham career in 1965 and I find most of Dave's suggestions spot on.

GL/73
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WA3SKN

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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2022, 02:50:58 PM »

So what frequencies are you authorized to operate?
Do you want desktop, mobile, or portable operations?
For VHF/UHF, FM... what repeaters are in your area?
For HF, what modes and bands do you prefer?
No need to invest in hardware til you know your desires.  Gotta budget?

-Mike.
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2022, 03:14:37 PM »

Odds are you'll outgrow the need for HT in short order, then you'll be looking to spend more money on something better. I suggest picking up a transceiver that covers the HF, VHF, and UHF bands with multiple modes, a few suggestions: the Yaesu-857, ICOM-706/706II/706IIG series, or ICOM IC-7000 or IC-7100.  Any one of these rigs will no doubt give you plenty of options to grow into the hobby and not limit you to QRP (low) power.  GL

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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2022, 05:05:51 PM »

Xiegu G90. Great HF radio (will get you out to 300 miles and way more). Cost ~ $450. If your primary goal is 300 miles you're probably going to be using 80 or 40 meters. Plenty of portable antenna options. You can spend days on youtube researching.
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2022, 08:31:40 AM »

So is your distant family also getting licensed?  If not, you'll be all dressed up with noplace to go.  Ham radio has a potential of communicating but is not a communication solution you just turn on and use like a cell phone.  HF requires technical skills and knowledge just to use, and VHF/UHF requires remote systems and networks that likely won't be there "when all else fails".  Decide what communication you think you need and solve the problem from that direction, rather than deciding a ham radio is the solution and trying to make it work.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2022, 09:03:29 AM »

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W1MOW

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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2022, 09:16:47 AM »

We spend about 6 months of the year in an RV. Over the past 10 years I have used a FT-450D, (Not really portable.) FT-857D, IC-7000, (Really love this radio.) and a Xiegu G-90. I traded the 857D for a FT-891 and still own the rest. I have tried the small "backpack" radios, (KX2/3 IC-705) while they are great radios for what they are, they really did not fit my needs as they are QRP radios.

All that being said...I would recommend the FT-891. It is a current radio available for around $600 USD. (If you could find a good used IC-7000 that would also be a good choice.) The only issue would be the the menu system. When you get a small radio, and good many of the features are menu based.

Keep in mind your relatives would also have to be licensed, and unlike cell phones there is no guarantee that you could reach them 100% of the time.

Gary W1MOW
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2022, 01:24:54 PM »

Quote from: RAYSTEEL

...So for me portable means at this stage something I can take with me in the car/truck,  this could be handheld or more stationary. 

My goal is to be able to communicate with my family who are approx. 300 miles away.  We have a good many mountains between here and the coast.  Lets us a price range of 750 for now and see if anything comes close to my demands...




Let's back up and analyze the situation, and what bands would
provide a possible solution, before looking at specific radios.

The first distinction is VHF or HF ("short wave").

Depending on where you are in BC, you may have a linked
repeater system that would provide the desired coverage
using hand-held radios, although you may need a good
external antenna, depending on your location.  That's
probably the minimal cost approach.  But you will have
to check with the local radio club or other local hams to
see what the repeater coverage is in your area.

Now, while hand-held radios are popular for those who like
to tote them around on their belt, I find that a mobile radio
is much more useful.  It can be mounted in the car, in the
house, or, if needed, operated portable with an external
battery if necessary.  They have more power than hand-held
radios, and you don't have to worry about the battery packs
dying if they go too long without a charge (although any other
battery you use will require some maintenance and care).
And in difficult terrain, you'll probably want some sort of
external antenna to go with it.

Doesn't have to be an expensive radio - can be single band
(probably for 2m) if that is what the repeaters use.  And,
while the newer radios often advertise higher output power,
I've been perfectly happy with 25 - 50 watts, and don't
see any advantage in going higher in most cases.  (Improve
your antenna before raising the power.)

So that's VHF/UHF FM:  may work great if you have the
repeater infrastructure to support your desired communications
in your area.  Otherwise, can be somewhat limited, unless
you are on a hilltop.


The other option is HF ("shortwave") radios.  These are capable
of talking around the world when the ionosphere is cooperating,
but out to 300 miles requires a different approach than longer
distances.

The lower HF bands, particular 40m and 80m, provide good
local coverage (less than 1000 km) when the ionospheric
conditions are appropriate.  Sometimes you may need to
use 160m (which technically is an MF band, not HF), and
even then, coverage may drop out at night, especially in
winter at the bottom of the sunspot cycle.

The propagation mode is to send signals basically straight,
bouncing off the ionosphere, and back down.  That means
that mountains aren't an impediment.  However, antennas
are considerably larger - a dipole antenna for the 80m band
is a wire 40m long, although it doesn't need to be too high
off the ground (10m is quite sufficient, and 5m may be enough).

One problem with ionospheric modes is that the ionosphere
changes throughout the day / year / 11-year sunspot cycle,
so you need to be prepared to use different bands at different
times, and the stations you want to work will need to shift
accordingly.  That requires some advance planning.


All of these methods require that the stations at both ends
be licensed, of course.


Now, another confusing point is that there are many different
definitions of "portable" operation.  For some it means a
minimal station that can be carried in a backpack.  Others may
include operating from a vehicle, or from a temporary station
at a summer cabin or campsite.

Most modern rigs run off 12V, so they can be used in a vehicle,
or operated from AC power.  And we've come a long way since
the massive, heavy radios of the 1940s and 1950s.  While there
are various "pocket-sized" radios running low power that are
great for backpacking, most normal-sized radios are quite
capable of being carried in a vehicle where space and weight
are not at a premium.

There may be other considerations:  for example, how long the
radio will operate from a battery, or whether it is suitable for
digital communications (similar to email) or can be controlled by
a computer if desired.


So, before choosing a radio, you may want to look at what
frequencies you may want to use, and how you plan to use it.
Then consider what antennas you need to go with it, including
those for the stations you want to talk to (who may have
different constraints on antennas than you do).


I've done a lot of portable operation over the last 50 years,
in many different situations.  When I started out I had a whole
footlocker full of radio equipment, and later lugged my old
tube/valve transceiver around with me to summer jobs and
out camping.  Newer solid state radios are smaller and may be
lighter (depending on choice of power supply), but I still find
that most radios are suitable for some types of portable operation.
Unless you are carrying it in your hand or a backpack, choice
of radio model isn't as critical as understanding all the other
options and how to make use of them to achieve the desired
communications.

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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2022, 02:12:27 PM »

My advice is in an entirely different direction. You may not realize it but there has been a watershed moment in ham history starting about seven years ago. Traditional radios like the FT857 have fallen by the wayside as mostly SDR based designs have taken root. The SDR allows operating means not possible with traditional designs. Like seeing the entire 40M band all at the same time. For CW, I don't even use the tuning knob most of the the time. Touch the screen twice, hit auto tune. The rig matches the tone of the incoming signal to your sidetone.

It is a much different way of operating. Look at the Icom 7300. It opened the door. Ham radio has not been the same since.
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2022, 01:48:30 AM »

The “all in one” transceiver (or shack in a box) has a certain appeal to newcomers to the hobby, I guess most of us have tried one at some time only to realise the limitations. Usually they are awkward to use due to reliance on menu settings.

If you can find a local amateur who ventures out into your hills with radio gear, ask them what they use and maybe go along and see it in operation.

Many of us who have been in the hobby for several years end up with many radios on the shelf, you can often find them selling unused transceivers which you can use and re-sell for little lost money.

My favourite portable operating is in VHF/UHF contests. My home QTH is only about 6 feet above sea level and my property doesn’t lend itself to installing a tower, but I do have a modest nearby hill that is some distance from the nearest power lines and houses and is completely quiet from an interference point of view. I use an Icom IC-7300 for 6m and 4m, and an IC-9700 for 2m, 70cm and 23cm. I use a generator and amplifiers on 6m and 4m, but run barefoot with battery power with the 9700.

My VHF/UHF antennas comprise a home made 4 ele quad on 6m and a variety of commercial yagis for the higher bands, all used with a 25’ push up mast.

You may not have many stations within VHF/UHF range to make such contests worth the effort, here in the UK such contests have become very popular with something happening on many weekends throughout the warmer months. This is the 2022 calendar (you will see my results too):

https://www.rsgbcc.org/cgi-bin/readcal.pl

This is my 6m quad.


73 Dave
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Re: New to ham, portable radio to start but which one?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2022, 06:39:02 AM »

Portable means different things to different people.  I have a Xiegu G90 which is portable by my standards, and can't be beat for the price, also a Yaesu FT991A which has a carry strap on the side so some people may call it portable, and recently bought a tr(usdx) which is truly portable and can't be beat at its price point (but I wouldn't want to bet on it for emergencies.)  For a new ham I would recommend the Xiegu G90, recently on sale at Radioddity for under $400....
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