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Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« on: December 24, 2022, 07:52:19 PM »

Hopefully he won't make 97% of his 3 week haul with that lazy, computer scripted text messaging thingamajig.

:)

Merry Christmas!

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KJ4Z

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2022, 08:04:29 PM »

FT8WW = FT8 World Wide!

I will take an ATNO on any mode it's offered.  I do hope to pick up some CW later.  FT/W is the furthest entity from me; almost antipodal.  #3 most wanted to boot = serious DX.



Merry Christmas to all!
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2022, 08:06:13 PM »

Worked on 30m FT8! Absolutely floored that I made it through that quickly! He is -06db when running a single stream right now. Looking for some CW action now  :)

<insert ATNO zebra here as well>

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2022, 08:07:59 PM »

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Hopefully he won't make 97% of his 3 week haul with that lazy, computer scripted text messaging thingamajig

It's time to stop being a killjoy and whining about every damn DXpedition that won't do what you want.

FT8 is real, it's been a big part of hamming since 2017 and it isn't going away.

You've been working this theme for five years now.  NOBODY IS LISTENING ANYMORE.  You've already won over the crowd that agrees with you.  That crowd may grow a bit, it may shrink a bit, but five years of evidence says far and away most of us have made up our minds about FT8.  Maybe we love it, maybe we won't work it, maybe we'll work it "if we must".  That's all in the rearview mirror. 

It's still half of all ham QSOs as it has been for years on now.  Nobody's whining changes that.

Work it, don't work it, but for heaven's sake stop whining about it every damn time.  It's tiresome.  You're not moving the needle.

All you are doing is annoying people, by now possibly including those that agree with you.
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2022, 08:21:16 PM »

I will take an ATNO on any mode it's offered.  I do hope to pick up some CW later.

My thoughts exactly.  FT8, MSHV (not Fox'n'Hound), Him -5, Me -11, with an elevated vertical on 30 meters barefoot.  Thanks Santa for the ATNO!

edit: ClubLog rejected my logging due to the non-typical FT8 prefix.  I sent a note to the Help Desk asking them to whitelist the call.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2022, 08:23:29 PM by K6OK »
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KJ4Z

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2022, 08:23:51 PM »

I will take an ATNO on any mode it's offered.  I do hope to pick up some CW later.

My thoughts exactly.  FT8, MSHV (not Fox'n'Hound), Him -5, Me -11, with an elevated vertical on 30 meters barefoot.  Thanks Santa for the ATNO!

I've been meaning to do antenna work for this operation but the ground has been under snow here in the Seattle area for an entire week.  Worked him 80 minutes into the DXpedition with 200 watts and a Hustler 6BTV -- a true Christmas miracle.  Conditions favored the West Coast and I got lucky.  Congratulations!
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2022, 04:06:18 AM »

Sorry WO7R but 50% of the Qs are not FT8.  Just 50% of the Clublog posted Qs are FT8.

A couple of years ago, I put that myth to the test that Clublog data represents all Qs activity and it failed miserably.  75% of the Qs I made CQing for an hour on CW and then on SSB were not stations that upload to Clubliog.  And I don't upload to clublog.  It was over 100 stations on a weekend.  I do about 20,000 contest Qs a year and none of them are posted on clublog.  And this data says that much of that activity is not posted by the other side either.

FT8 has been around for 5 years now and it is not going away.  That's a fact.  But so are the false statements about what it is and what it is not.

While I congratulate KJ4Z on and all time new one...does it strike anyone else as odd that you could work a number 3 most wanted in 80 minutes using a hustler and 200W from the opposite side of the globe if EVERYBODY is using FT8 these days?  There are between 25 and 50 thousand "active DXers" out there.  Just process that for a bit....

Ed  N1UR
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2022, 04:29:47 AM »

Anyone who wants to insert the dancing zebra to celebrate their new one and have a problem with images here, can post it directly from giphy dot com like KJ4Z did. This one is small and doesn't take up a lot of space.

Push "Insert Image" and copy/paste the following between the two tags...

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2022, 04:47:45 AM »

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While I congratulate KJ4Z on and all time new one...does it strike anyone else as odd that you could work a number 3 most wanted in 80 minutes using a hustler and 200W from the opposite side of the globe if EVERYBODY is using FT8 these days?  There are between 25 and 50 thousand "active DXers" out there.  Just process that for a bit....

Ed  N1UR


What is odd about it?    It appears you don't understand how FT8 works.  The DX calling CQ on FT8 can hear several dozen stations at the same and decode their call signs.   A little pistol only has to be heard by the DX and then be lucky enough to catch the eye of the guy picking the choosen ones.  FT8 levels the playing field.   I get why the big guns hate FT8, they spent alot of time and money on a station to be able to stomp on the little guys and be on of the first in the log of the rare DX.

Gino
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2022, 04:53:35 AM »

And add  in the fact that it was 00z on Christmas day and he wasn't expected to be active for a day or 2 more I'm sure many were not active,

I listened for a while and he was working well into the west coast or at least he was working 6's and 7'z but with most using remotes on the east coast it hard to know where any of you are these days,

30m is a funny band can seem dead but then the DX just appears and you often can here none of his callers,

Merry Christmas everyone

Trevor
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While I congratulate KJ4Z on and all time new one...does it strike anyone else as odd that you could work a number 3 most wanted in 80 minutes using a hustler and 200W from the opposite side of the globe if EVERYBODY is using FT8 these days?  There are between 25 and 50 thousand "active DXers" out there.  Just process that for a bit....

Ed  N1UR


What is odd about it?    It appears you don't understand how FT8 works.  The DX calling CQ on FT8 can hear several dozen stations at the same and decode their call signs.   A little pistol only has to be heard by the DX and then be lucky enough to catch the eye of the guy picking the choosen ones.  FT8 levels the playing field.   I get why the big guns hate FT8, they spent alot of time and money on a station to be able to stomp on the little guys and be on of the first in the log of the rare DX.

Gino
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2022, 05:34:30 AM »

And add  in the fact that it was 00z on Christmas day and he wasn't expected to be active for a day or 2 more I'm sure many were not active,

I listened for a while and he was working well into the west coast or at least he was working 6's and 7'z but with most using remotes on the east coast it hard to know where any of you are these days,

30m is a funny band can seem dead but then the DX just appears and you often can here none of his callers,

Merry Christmas everyone

Trevor
EI2GLB

We were lucky last night. Most of the EU was asleep or celebrating, and it did not seem that too many JAs were calling (maybe that path just wasn't open). There were lots of stations calling still, but with three streams it didn't take that long to get through. Certainly easier than expected.

Congrats on the ATNOs, everyone, and Merry Christmas.
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2022, 07:17:28 AM »

I worked him long path my morning on 14.085 at around 1430 UTC. His signal was moving in QSB between -09dB to +06dB. Decent signal.

I have no 30m antenna, but just out of curiosity I used my 20m Yagi to listen to him on 10.131 last night and he had an incredibly good signal peaking +08dB while transmitting three streams. Either the propagation is very good or he is very good at building antennas.

Good luck to all who are chasing him for their ATNO. Now I would just love an SSB and/or CW mode from him.

This has been an excellent Xmas gift from him. When he opens his OQRS, I will send him a Xmas gift, too.

Marvin VE3VEE
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2022, 07:51:35 AM »

Hopefully he won't make 97% of his 3 week haul with that lazy, computer scripted text messaging thingamajig.

I agree!  I  hope the FT8 total is more like 98 or 99%!
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KJ4Z

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2022, 08:57:49 AM »

While I congratulate KJ4Z on and all time new one...does it strike anyone else as odd that you could work a number 3 most wanted in 80 minutes using a hustler and 200W from the opposite side of the globe if EVERYBODY is using FT8 these days?  There are between 25 and 50 thousand "active DXers" out there.  Just process that for a bit....

Thanks.  Well for my part, I very deliberately wanted to get in the log last night, because I suspected we were still somewhat in "stealth mode."  The call had not been previously known, and not whitelisted, so I figured automated alarms were less likely to be going off.  And EU was either asleep or celebrating.  Additionally, the choice of time and frequency meant LP was in play which worked in my favor.  Almost all those advantages are gone now and I very much doubt I would be able to repeat the trick tonight, FT8 or otherwise.
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2022, 09:09:39 AM »

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Hopefully he won't make 97% of his 3 week haul with that lazy, computer scripted text messaging thingamajig

It's time to stop being a killjoy and whining about every damn DXpedition that won't do what you want.

FT8 is real, it's been a big part of hamming since 2017 and it isn't going away.

You've been working this theme for five years now.  NOBODY IS LISTENING ANYMORE.  You've already won over the crowd that agrees with you.  That crowd may grow a bit, it may shrink a bit, but five years of evidence says far and away most of us have made up our minds about FT8.  Maybe we love it, maybe we won't work it, maybe we'll work it "if we must".  That's all in the rearview mirror. 

It's still half of all ham QSOs as it has been for years on now.  Nobody's whining changes that.

Work it, don't work it, but for heaven's sake stop whining about it every damn time.  It's tiresome.  You're not moving the needle.

All you are doing is annoying people, by now possibly including those that agree with you.

He's entitled to his opinion, and just expressing hope that the DXpedition will do some operating on the "legacy" modes CW and SSB. If FT8WW works FT8 exclusively, that's his prerogative. If you don't work that mode, then you're SOL. Them's the breaks.

But like it or not, you gotta admit that it *IS* a "computer scripted text messaging thingamajig" ::).
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