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WO7R

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2022, 04:23:17 PM »

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You did the same thing the same way

I have actual data behind my opinions.  I've posted that data several times (not today, true, but you should remember it by now -- hell you can recreate it yourself).

Here's a fairly recent cut at it from Clublog in chart form:



The argument is over.
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EI2GLB

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2022, 04:55:32 PM »

He worked hundreds of NA stations last night on 30m but maybe they were more towards the West Coast,

He was very workable on 20m today but I didn't notice much NA going through while I monitored,

He is only active 24hrs so don't panic yet, with the station you have it will be easy once you get an opening,

It doesn't look like it's going to be a DX Hog feast so he should be able to thin the callers quickly enough if he sticks to a few bands,

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Trevor
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So far exactly TWO decodes from Crozet here in two days. Not sure what's going on, but 3-el on 20m and a rotatable dipole on 30, listening with a K3s. I'm hoping he's in stronger at some point but it's not off to a good start here in NJ, and I'm starting to get a bit nervous truth be told.
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K0UA

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2022, 05:01:50 PM »

Two pieces of good news.

1:  I am not going to engage in this back and forth.  Nope, ain't gonna do it.
2:  I worked him on 30 last night and I am in the log for an ATNO.. Whoo-HOO

Someone slap me if I engage.... ;D
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2022, 05:17:15 PM »

I would prefer any mode rather than FT-something, but I work what the DX chooses to work.

Started decoding FT8WW @00:30 this evening at -24, elevated 1/4w vertical.
Peaked at -5 @01:00, worked at 01:07 at-11.

#331 current.

Still several that haven't figured out he is transmitting "ODD", not "EVEN".

Wonder how they are hearing him? :P
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N0UN

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2022, 05:24:58 PM »

Due to its popularity over all the other digital modes, maybe eham.net should have a new forum topic (in addition to just "Digital") called "FT8/4, F/H, etc", so all the pointers-and-clickers can talk about their adventures without intervention from the naysayers. Then you can tell them to go pound sand on some other forum topic.

+1

Maybe they can spend their time at FT8FORUM.COM

Says it all...

It is amazing how many hours he can go with no rest since he went active. Iron men need no sleep!

Hmmmm....

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KJ4Z

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2022, 06:40:04 PM »

Let me state up front that I am pretty neutral on FT8.  I loved it at first, and JT65 before that, when it was just part of a balanced diet.  These days, I am just OK with it.  I actually think it might have turned into RF kudzu but it is what it is, and I will work the DX as I find it.

I wanted to inject some fresh perspective (might be presumptuous to call it "data") into this discussion.  I left my rig running during last night's pileup, and also on both 20 and 30 today while I was away.  I use an SDR skimmer so I can monitor multiple bands at once.  I analyzed my ALL.TXT files and found 939 unique calls either calling or being called by FT8WW.

Last year, I had gathered data from the official DXCC standings using a tool I wrote that can be found at https://github.com/kj4z/standings2db.  I still had that database lying around so it was trivial to pipe, cat, grep, awk, and sort my way into a CSV containing the all-time counts per call that I decoded, which can be found at http://dxcc.kj4z.com/ft8ww.csv.

Out of my 939 decoded calls, 390 of them have DXCC counts above 330.  I also counted 5 current NCDXF directors and several past directors.  Make of that what you will, but it's a lot of "pointers-and-clickers" at the highest levels of the program.

I am aware of many potential objections to my sloppy methodology but my goal was merely to put a sort of floor under the amount of "real DXers" using FT8.  Bear in mind, this is only what one guy in the PNW decoded on his Hustler vertical from a 1/10th acre suburban lot, in pileups for a single call, over less than 24 hours.  I am sure I missed as much as I heard.  The DXCC standings are a year old since I didn't want to bother refreshing the database, but counts could only have gone up since then.  Many hams don't actually submit to ARRL (e.g. my last submission was 7 years ago), so again, numbers can only go up from here.  I thought about scraping ClubLog for possibly more accurate numbers but it might violate their ToS and would certainly be rude.  Also I only spent about 15 minutes on this, so caveat emptor.

On a happier note, I am enjoying sitting here watching the chaos unfold and knowing I've got this one in the bag that I had long been fearing.  'Tis pleasant, safely to behold from shore - The troubled sailor, and hear the tempests roar. -- Lucretius, I think.

A very happy and prosperous new year to you all, and may you find success in the pileups, whatever mode you prefer.

73,
KJ4Z

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EI2GLB

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2022, 06:54:32 PM »

Guys can you move the FT8 talk somewhere else please and leave this for talk about working/trying to work Crozet,


Thanks
Trevor
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N0UN

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2022, 07:14:41 PM »

Guys can you move the FT8 talk somewhere else please and leave this for talk about working/trying to work Crozet,


Thanks
Trevor
EI2GLB

Perhaps it's time to start a new Crozet thread?  At this point (so far) it seems there is nothing much other than FT8 Crozet to discuss. Last Crozet thread was locked on Page 3 too - it's time.

I guess we could post QSL Cards (remember those) from past non-FT8 Crozet operations?  Here's one I found in a drawer today from 1996:



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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2022, 07:26:26 PM »

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You did the same thing the same way

I have actual data behind my opinions. 
I never mentioned anything about data but rather asked you a simple question. You seem to think how you form your perception is important whereas any others aren’t valid. There’s a term for such mentality.
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2022, 07:52:03 PM »

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2022, 10:44:30 PM »


Maybe they can spend their time at FT8FORUM.COM


 A treasure trove of information for the FT8 user...............Required reading!!! 


                                        Tom KH0/KC0W
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WO7R

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2022, 11:09:28 PM »

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You seem to think how you form your perception is important whereas any others aren’t valid.

Nonsense.  Holding to the value of buggy whip manufacturing is a valid opinion.  The bar for "valid" for opinion is very low.

However, I suggest in this instance setting the bar a little higher to something that doesn't make you look like your grandfather.  Especially when it is only a fraction of a step above "hey you kids, get off my lawn".  I think it's worth calling out in all of its ridiculous glory.

The problem here isn't that it's invalid.  It's that it is fighting the last war.  And pretending that it is somehow virtuous to continue to fight that last war.  You know, the one that was already lost.  In this instance, about five years ago.
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VK3HJ

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2022, 02:17:50 AM »

I'm not even hearing/decoding the Fake FT8WW, let alone the real one!  :(
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2022, 04:40:56 AM »

Thierry has good internet and updates are being posted daily

http://crozet2022.r-e-f.org/news.html

I watched the spots yesterday as he tried CW for a bit and then moved right back to the mode that shall not be mentioned.
He posted the following comment.

But as I don't want to change bands too much, I'm going to stay on 10 MHz and maybe 14 MHz depending on the openings. I'd rather do CW or SSB, but the spread decided otherwise .
FT8 is in MSHV, I have 250 W and 3 queues.   
It is windy, foggy and very humid.

Thierry – FT8WW



When he said spead I assume he meant propagation. 

Gino - KE8KMX






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K4MK

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2022, 07:26:46 AM »

If he' s going to work only FT8, it's not really a DX-pedition; it's just a guy with a computer.
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