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N0UN

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2022, 08:05:56 AM »

If he' s going to work only FT8, it's not really a DX-pedition; it's just a guy with a computer.

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3C3CA same way. Another guy with a computer. "Lazy, mindless computer scripted text messaging". Is what it is, but it sure ain't Ham Radio IMO.

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2022, 08:08:43 AM »

Point to me on the doll where FT8 hurt you.
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N0UN

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2022, 08:11:13 AM »


Maybe they can spend their time at FT8FORUM.COM


 A treasure trove of information for the FT8 user...............Required reading!!! 


                                        Tom KH0/KC0W

That's what I thought!   ;D

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2022, 08:23:44 AM »

If he' s going to work only FT8, it's not really a DX-pedition; it's just a guy with a computer.

With how rare that “country” is, I wonder whether he has the *skill* needed to efficiently manage massive pileups on CW or SSB (especially CW). You have to actually *listen/decode* and pick out call signs to quickly move along and accommodate all the callers. It’s not for the faint of heart. I would think he’s pretty proficient using a computer on FT8…no listening/decoding required.

Now, don’t take my comment as a knock on FT8…it’s not my thing, but I couldn’t care less what mode people like ;). I imagine he’s just doing what’s comfortable for him to handle. Have fun!
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2022, 08:26:01 AM »

If he' s going to work only FT8, it's not really a DX-pedition; it's just a guy with a computer.


The 87 gazillion hams trying to get an FT8 Q with this station right now says otherwise.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2022, 08:34:23 AM by KE8KMX »
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2022, 08:27:06 AM »

If he' s going to work only FT8, it's not really a DX-pedition; it's just a guy with a computer.

A guy with a computer, a transceiver, an antenna, and 250 watts, who has sacrificed 2+ months of his life to travel to a remote island in the southern Indian Ocean just to give as many of us as possible a 30-second QSO. Whether he uses CW, SSB, or FT8, many of us really don't care, and I'm certainly not going to criticize him for his choice of mode.

Aside from that, he actually has worked some CW, but it seems that the lids and DQRMers have been in rare form, and his signal has been quite weak in much of the world (at least judging by the FT8 signal reports I see). Most of us will be extremely lucky to snag a QSO on CW or SSB unless circumstances change dramatically.  Meanwhile, he made 606 QSOs on 30m FT8 in 5.5 hours two nights ago (according to ClubLog), a very respectable QSO rate.
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2022, 08:29:15 AM »

I wish someone else would go to Crozet to show him how a DXpedition should be done.
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2022, 08:53:21 AM »

A couple of hours ago, there was a little bit of CW activity on 20m, but it didn't seem to last very long. Unfortunately I had a power outage so I was unable to try to work him, but it was in the perfect time for long path from here. Perhaps tomorrow he will make another CW (or SSB attempt).

My power has been restored about 45 minutes ago so I'm able to observe the FT8 activity on 14.085. It is interesting to see how many many many people are calling him in the wrong time slot. On the positive note though, at least it gives a better chance to those who call him in the correct time slot.  ;D ;D ;D

Marvin VE3VEE
« Last Edit: December 26, 2022, 09:02:32 AM by VE3VEE »
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2022, 09:06:22 AM »

     The reason many dxers spent alot of time and money was to climb the dxcc ladder, not to stomp on smaller stations. In fact, there was more respect for others back in the day; you would make ONE solid qso with a dxpedition and if you weren't 100% sure a "backup" contact. This gave a chance to others
     Getting to Honor Roll, and #1 Honor Roll, was very, very, difficult with simple antennas; yes, I know it can be done like W2NJ (the original W2NJ).
      Also, there wasn't the concept of the mega-dxpedition.  So, dxers typically had a path of station upgrades so they could work the really difficult dxcc's.
       If you want to be a "dx-er" in the traditional sense work Crozet on cw or ssb to get a feel how hard it was in the past (as if I recall correctly there never has been a dxpedition there).


  I get why the big guns hate FT8, they spent alot of time and money on a station to be able to stomp on the little guys and be on of the first in the log of the rare DX.

Gino
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N0UN

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2022, 09:43:06 AM »

If he' s going to work only FT8, it's not really a DX-pedition; it's just a guy with a computer.

With how rare that “country” is, I wonder whether he has the *skill* needed to efficiently manage massive pileups on CW or SSB (especially CW). You have to actually *listen/decode* and pick out call signs to quickly move along and accommodate all the callers. It’s not for the faint of heart. I would think he’s pretty proficient using a computer on FT8…no listening/decoding required.

Now, don’t take my comment as a knock on FT8…it’s not my thing, but I couldn’t care less what mode people like ;) . I imagine he’s just doing what’s comfortable for him to handle. Have fun!

This is the "lazy" part IMO.  FT8 is the lazy path.  Don't have to "work" a pileup.  The computer and software script does the work. On both sides.  No human skills required.  Heck, you just point & click.  And even then there's automated software to do that for some.  Makes those 20+ hour straight marathon sessions possible.  Sleep, eat, drink, come back to check your log file.  If you're a point & click op, put on some good classical music and run 10 times the Q Rates of real DXers of the past.

There sure are a lot of folks who have taken the lazy path. I guess it's human nature to some degree.  But crying the blues about having to wait for online log verification's and demanding free LoTW's after taking that path?  Priceless :)

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2022, 09:48:20 AM »

I wish someone else would go to Crozet to show him how a DXpedition should be done.

TY0RU's DxPedition to Benin had a team of excellent CW operators.  They had 77,507 FT QSO's vs 31,120 on CW.  They are experienced and this Russian team has led some of the best DXpeditions to Africa in the past few years.  The reason they had more FT is because with multi-streaming the rates are higher and, like it or not, there's more activity on FT than on CW.  TY0RU did the right thing with the conditions they faced.

Sure, I'd like to work Crozet on CW too.  But I'm very thankful F6EXV is there and I'm not going to criticize him for his mode choices.  I'm thrilled to have my QSO with him on FT8 in his log.

73 Jim K6OK
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VE3VEE

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #56 on: December 26, 2022, 10:04:43 AM »

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I'm very thankful F6EXV is there


It's actually Thierry F6CUK who is on the island and yes, you, me, and the vast majority of DXers are thankful for him being there.  ;D

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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2022, 10:05:03 AM »

If he' s going to work only FT8, it's not really a DX-pedition; it's just a guy with a computer.


The 87 gazillion hams trying to get an FT8 Q with this station right now says otherwise.

The Scripts are running 24/7 so he is almost guaranteed to wake up every morning and see a few hundred contacts in the Kitty.

What we really need is a modular weather proof server rack systems with Solar panels and batteries that can just be dropped off on an island for 6 months at a time.  They would uplink via Starlink every hour all of the contacts the unit has made.   One vertical antenna sticking up from each unit tuned for a specific band.   Three per entity covering 20/30/40M should make most FT8 lovers happy.
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #58 on: December 26, 2022, 10:13:46 AM »

I wish someone else would go to Crozet to show him how a DXpedition should be done.

TY0RU's DxPedition to Benin had a team of excellent CW operators.  They had 77,507 FT QSO's vs 31,120 on CW.  They are experienced and this Russian team has led some of the best DXpeditions to Africa in the past few years.  The reason they had more FT is because with multi-streaming the rates are higher and, like it or not, there's more activity on FT than on CW.

73 Jim K6OK

Can you explain this “multi-streaming” thing you mention? Someone else said FT8WW was “multi-streaming”, and had 606 Q’s in 5.5 hours on 30 meters. With one transmitter, and 30 seconds/Q, the max he could work is 660 Q’s in that time frame. A respectable rate for FT8, but a very proficient CW op working split can log more than twice that rate…over 1,300 Q’s in 5.5 hours. Inquiring minds want to know ;).
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Re: Crozet FT8WW On The Air
« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2022, 10:16:39 AM »

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I'm very thankful F6EXV is there


It's actually Thierry F6CUK who is on the island and yes, you, me, and the vast majority of DXers are thankful for him being there.  ;D

Marvin VE3VEE

Oops... thanks Marvin for the correction!  Agree most hams are thankful.  --  Jim K6OK
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