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AI5BC

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Re: 2023 Emergency Preparedness Act
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2023, 07:48:03 AM »

I’ve been using stealth antennas in my three HOA’s for the last 30 years with no repercussions, you can  consider me “dishonest, deceptive, and lacking integrity”.

Yep that makes you a ham/CB radio operator. You are a poster Boomer.
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K7JQ

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Re: 2023 Emergency Preparedness Act
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2023, 08:28:58 AM »


Disguising a prohibited antenna using a flag pole which appears innocuous is still being deceptive to circumvent a rule. A rule to which we all agreed.

Shouldn’t that be in the context of what the restriction is, e.g., no antennas, no outside antennas, no visible antenna, no radio transmission, etc..? Most CC&Rs apply to the exterior of the homes.

I have written approval in the form of a modification to have a Hexbeam which conforms to the height and visibility limitations granted in the mod.

Looking at your situation a different way:

You willingly agreed to buy a home in an HOA community with a CC&R that restricts antennas (you had to ask for permission). A contractual/consensual "rule to which we all agreed"...you and all the other residents in your community. Perhaps your neighbors felt confident that they wouldn't have to look at unsightly antennas/structures because of that rule.

Yet you apparently didn't agree to that rule, and wanted to"circumvent" it by asking for a modification to erect an antenna on the exterior of your house. A Hexbeam no less...an ugly (IMO) upside-down, blown-out umbrella/clothesline looking thing. To be effective, I'm sure it's at a reasonable height, and somewhat visible to your neighbors.

Despite the fact that you received approval for your Hexbeam, does that make it any less visible to (possible) unhappy neighbors that relied on the CC&R to protect their views or safety, and infringing on their rights "just for a hobby"? Legal, yes. But realistically, any less "dishonest, deceptive, or lacking integrity" than my much less obtrusive little screwdriver antenna that wasn't approved by the HOA?

My opinion, to be blunt, is that your opinion contains a wee bit of hypocrisy ;).
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K1VSK

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Re: 2023 Emergency Preparedness Act
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2023, 09:07:04 AM »


Disguising a prohibited antenna using a flag pole which appears innocuous is still being deceptive to circumvent a rule. A rule to which we all agreed.

Shouldn’t that be in the context of what the restriction is, e.g., no antennas, no outside antennas, no visible antenna, no radio transmission, etc..? Most CC&Rs apply to the exterior of the homes.

I have written approval in the form of a modification to have a Hexbeam which conforms to the height and visibility limitations granted in the mod.

Looking at your situation a different way:

You willingly agreed to buy a home in an HOA community with a CC&R that restricts antennas (you had to ask for permission). A contractual/consensual "rule to which we all agreed"...you and all the other residents in your community. Perhaps your neighbors felt confident that they wouldn't have to look at unsightly antennas/structures because of that rule.

Yet you apparently didn't agree to that rule, and wanted to"circumvent" it by asking for a modification to erect an antenna on the exterior of your house. A Hexbeam no less...an ugly (IMO) upside-down, blown-out umbrella/clothesline looking thing. To be effective, I'm sure it's at a reasonable height, and somewhat visible to your neighbors.

Despite the fact that you received approval for your Hexbeam, does that make it any less visible to (possible) unhappy neighbors that relied on the CC&R to protect their views or safety, and infringing on their rights "just for a hobby"? Legal, yes. But realistically, any less "dishonest, deceptive, or lacking integrity" than my much less obtrusive little screwdriver antenna that wasn't approved by the HOA?

My opinion, to be blunt, is that your opinion contains a wee bit of hypocrisy ;).
For brevity, I didn’t explain the chronology thoroughly which might help clarify my situation.

When we moved here in 2009, the HOA rules surprisingly did not include ANY reference, mention or constraints regarding ham radio antennas. That came as a surprise and shock to me as, when we bought the house, I had assumed such a rule existed typical of most HOAs. I never bothered to look.  I could have erected virtually anything or as many antennas as I wanted.

I asked the HOA in writing if that omission in their rules was correct and they responded saying yes, I could (put up anything). But I didn’t. The reason being I felt it inappropriate to take advantage of that omission.

I then offered to assist if they wanted to enact any guidance or rule by which the Architectural Committee could oversee placement and other aesthetic considerations. And we subsequently wrote such an amendment to the HOA rules which I followed in erecting the Hexbeam. That rule, among other things, also requires the notification and written consent of neighbors.

I circumvented nothing. I think I did what was both respectful of my neighbors and reasonable by any definition.

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K7JQ

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Re: 2023 Emergency Preparedness Act
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2023, 10:53:30 AM »

Don K1VSK,

Respectfully, thanks for the clarification. When you said you had written permission to modify the CC&R, to me that inferred there were antenna restrictions already in place.

In my current HOA (21 years), based on denials of antenna permission in my past HOA's, I decided on "It's sometimes better to ask for forgiveness than for permission". Certainly not a life and death issue, and in my mind not "deceptive, dishonest, or lacking integrity". I figured I'd give it a shot with a motorized screwdriver on my backyard fence...small, compact, and extremely minimal visually to my next door neighbors. If they would have complained or the HOA told me to remove it, I'd comply immediately. To date, it works well, and not a peep from anyone.

I also did what I thought was respectful of my neighbors and reasonable for my situation. And as you say, my opinion is the only one that counts ;).
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K1VSK

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Re: 2023 Emergency Preparedness Act
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2023, 11:07:48 AM »

Don K1VSK,

Respectfully, thanks for the clarification. When you said you had written permission to modify the CC&R, to me that inferred there were antenna restrictions already in place.

In my current HOA (21 years), based on denials of antenna permission in my past HOA's, I decided on "It's sometimes better to ask for forgiveness than for permission". Certainly not a life and death issue, and in my mind not "deceptive, dishonest, or lacking integrity". I figured I'd give it a shot with a motorized screwdriver on my backyard fence...small, compact, and extremely minimal visually to my next door neighbors. If they would have complained or the HOA told me to remove it, I'd comply immediately. To date, it works well, and not a peep from anyone.

I also did what I thought was respectful of my neighbors and reasonable for my situation. And as you say, my opinion is the only one that counts ;).
Sorry if I was unclear earlier. If I wrote I had permission to modify existing limitations, that was misleading. Rather, I helped write the rule where none existed previously. I figured I’d rather be part of the process than have someone else someday unilaterally write it with no input.

No clue how yours are written but if it were me, I’d forgo trying to get an exemption and try amending the current language if, for no other reason, to reach some compromise. But then, I have no sense of how amenable your folks might be.
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K7JQ

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Re: 2023 Emergency Preparedness Act
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2023, 02:38:28 PM »


No clue how yours are written but if it were me, I’d forgo trying to get an exemption and try amending the current language if, for no other reason, to reach some compromise. But then, I have no sense of how amenable your folks might be.


Yes, the word you used,"modify", (to me) implied seeking revision of an existing antenna restrictive covenant, not creating a new one.

My CC&R's are 45 pages long, and the antenna covenant reads "No antennas allowed...(blah, blah, blah)...unless approved by the Design Review Committee". After I moved in, I figured I might have a shot, and presented plans for a multi-band, 24-foot vertical in the back yard. They had a certain time frame to respond yes or no, and when I received no response by then, I wrote back that I was going ahead with the plan. Before I even started, their attorney sent me a nasty "Cease and Desist" order. At that point, I said screw it, and decided on the fence-mounted screwdriver (no pun intended). I figured push comes to shove, if they order me to remove it, I would...no harm, no foul as they give you time to comply before fines kick in. Over 20 years later, still hamming away with it.
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WS4E

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Re: 2023 Emergency Preparedness Act
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2023, 12:54:45 PM »

The only way bills like this get passed in today's modern corporate controlled congress, is if someone pays enough people big $$$ in back room deals so they are attached as amendments to one of the big 1000+ page bills for appropriations or defense that they don't even bother to read.

There is no such thing Mr Smith from Washington getting any individual bills considered and passed anymore for their constituents.
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