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AI5BC

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Re: Washing Machine gets error
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2022, 04:59:06 PM »

WASHING MACHINE AC CIRCUITS DO NOT USE GFI'S. 
Wrong again pal, it is required. Read it and apologize to everyone, NEC 210.8(A)(10). Been that way since 2014. If you had said install between Line and Neutral is fine. All you are doing is injecting noise onto ground conductors where they do not belong. Your advice is dangerous intentionally injecting 60-Hz line current into equipment grounds. 


210.8(A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in 210.8(A)(1) through (10) shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.

(10) Laundry areas.
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K6AER

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Re: Washing Machine gets error
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2022, 05:59:50 PM »

WASHING MACHINE AC CIRCUITS DO NOT USE GFI'S. 
Wrong again pal, it is required. Read it and apologize to everyone, NEC 210.8(A)(10). Been that way since 2014. If you had said install between Line and Neutral is fine. All you are doing is injecting noise onto ground conductors where they do not belong. Your advice is dangerous intentionally injecting 60-Hz line current into equipment grounds. 


210.8(A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in 210.8(A)(1) through (10) shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.

(10) Laundry areas.


I will stand by my original posting.

GFI units to be installed in the laundry area are meant to protect outlets in a general wet area such as a sink. Like a kitchen or bathroom.  The exact definition can be reviewed at the link below.
https://www.electricallicenserenewal.com/Electrical-Continuing-Education-Courses/NEC-Content.php?sectionID=808.0

The gray area is what constitutes a wet area. It is generally considered GFI’s should not be installed in an area where the reset button is inaccessible.

This law is relatively new and is still under interpretation by local and state agencies. The actual law was generally introduced in 2017. Now there is no requirement for GFI’s in a laundry area for home build before 2017. This means 98% of homes will not have any issue with GFI’s on an electric dryer or washing machine.

As for my posting on the RF bypass capacitor, I will stand by my solution. The amount of 60 Hz AC ripple placed on the ground common return is minuscule compared to the IR drop from the motor and high current electronics. The requirement is to prevent RF from getting into the control circuitry. Placement of type 31 mix RF toroid’s to reduce common mode RF on the AC feed will never be as efficient as a couple of RF bypass capacitors.

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KW1L

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Re: Washing Machine gets error
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2022, 05:10:56 AM »

Thank you all for sharing your advice.  I think I am going to buy a switch and turn off the top loading Maytag washing machine when done.  BTW-- The error indicator is reported by the LID LOCK LED in this model and requires rotation of the main dial for led read out of error code.  Paul

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M7V6U2Q/?coliid=I37KG5XRP3OACV&colid=2OSY3631KFUXU&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

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K5TED

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Re: Washing Machine gets error
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2022, 07:39:17 AM »

KWIL - I remembered I had a few Isobars in a box, dug in and found the two outlet one. Our washer outlet is a single, so stuck the Isobar in, marked a spot above the plate for the anchor lug, put in a drywall anchor, Isobar in, secured and fired up the shack, tested at 600w SSB and CW, not a peep from the Kenmore.

It too had the 'lid lock' thing first, then the scary growling sound from the innards on ensuing transmissions.

We'll see if it holds.

My Isobar is the older version of this one https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Protector-INSURANCE-ISOBLOK2-0/dp/B0000510R4/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=isobar&qid=1672501075&sr=8-5&th=1 
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W1RKW

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Re: Washing Machine gets error
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2022, 12:56:50 PM »

KW1L,  We have a Whirlpool which most likely uses the same or similar control board.  We don't have any issues with RFI but occasionally it would throw and error code which I attributed to our crappy power company and it's equipment. I did the same thing and created a switched outlet. If you search online for your model number, there is a tech sheet that lists all the error codes and how to retrieve them in addition to doing a reset.  If you don't have that, suggest you download it for future reference. 
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