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EI5GUB

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DXpeditions
« on: January 08, 2023, 11:45:21 AM »

Hi when dxpeditions especially big ones arrive I hear alot about LIDS and Tailenders,can someone tell me what thy are,I take it theyre not good as some one said on a forum that TN8K and Bouvet will be 2 Lid fests
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ZL1BBW

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Re: DXpeditions
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2023, 12:58:53 PM »

LIDS are the polite term for gaggle of ill mannered operators that try and disrupt things for all the others.
TAILENDERS are those charming people that zero beat onto the station that the DX is trying to work and just ad the non Dx stn ends his transmission they will jump in with their call, a couple of letters, or a stream of abuse for not working them before.

For me tailenders go on a special little bit of paper on the desk, they really can mess the whole flow of things up.  Mch like if the DX stn is working by numbers #1 in the call etc and then you get a #4 piling in.

Have a listen you will hear every form of human beahaviour in a pile up.

GL Gavin
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Re: DXpeditions
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2023, 01:29:24 PM »

Hi when dxpeditions especially big ones arrive I hear alot about LIDS and Tailenders,can someone tell me what thy are,I take it theyre not good as some one said on a forum that TN8K and Bouvet will be 2 Lid fests
One of the things I find most entertaining and surprising  is listening to the people who call incessantly on the wrong frequency, have poor timing or simply never bothered to figure out how or where to work the DX as though it eludes them. Add the aberrant behavior and people think it’s somehow the expedition’s fault they have problems working the DX.

And conversely, it’s somehow a good expedition when they do manage, often accidentally,  to work the DX.
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W0CKI

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Re: DXpeditions
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2023, 03:28:10 PM »

And they come out during the DX contest.
Gary W0CKI
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VK3HJ

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2023, 04:40:16 PM »

TAILENDERS! The bane of DXpedition operators.
The number of times I have almost all of a caller's callsign and the Tailender repeatedly jumps on him and makes it extremely difficult to complete the QSO. It is usually useless to address the offender (in CW) as he often does not understand anyway. My strategy is to refuse to acknowledge the Tailender, continue to call the station and make sure I complete with him, and then change my listening frequency. I'd rather my rate falls through the floor than reward the rude behaviour of the Tailender. They are usually extremely persistent too. He'll track me down and play his game again. Again I will not reward him. After a while, when I might find the tailender in the clear, I will log him.
Having been many times at the "Sharp End", it gives one a better idea and understanding what may be happening when one is the chaser. Most of us don't have an appreciation of what the DXpedition operator hears at his end of the pileup.
Most of these rude and inappropriate behaviours manifest at the start of DXpeditions. It usually settles down a week in.
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Re: DXpeditions
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2023, 01:00:01 PM »

Another annoying one found especially over on 6 meters during dx openings are what we call the  "SPOT HUMPERS".

These are the hams who blindly call a dx station without confirming that they can even hear the dx, only after seeing them posted on one of the dx clusters.

Usually on 6 meters they will be on any offset when using FT8 and on SSB/CW they will blindly get on 50.110 and call a DX station who has been spotted on the 6 meter cluster even if they don't have the propagation and can't hear the dx, they still endlessly call the DX messing it up for others listening on CW/SSB.
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VK3HJ

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2023, 11:07:40 PM »

Another annoying one found especially over on 6 meters during dx openings are what we call the  "SPOT HUMPERS".
My word, yes!
This behaviour deserves summary execution.
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N2SR

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2023, 02:53:37 AM »

And they come out during the DX contest.
Gary W0CKI

If done correctly and they are loud, they actually help the rate, typically in CW, but many times on SSB. 

If I have a weak station calling me and a loud station calls in, I'll take the loud station first, especially if they are a quick Q. 

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VK3HJ

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Re: DXpeditions
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2023, 03:27:39 AM »

If I have a weak station calling me and a loud station calls in, I'll take the loud station first, especially if they are a quick Q.
Not always. My context is as a DXpedition operator, not a Contest operator. The number of times I have a loud station calling me, that ends up wasting my time as he is calling blind! You can almost hear his mate telling him "send 5nn, DX is calling you!" before the QSO is "completed", after many, many repeats.
Yet, the weak station calling under him more often than not responds immediately.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2023, 04:14:22 AM »

The number of times I have a loud station calling me, that ends up wasting my time as he is calling blind! You can almost hear his mate telling him "send 5nn, DX is calling you!" before the QSO is "completed", after many, many repeats.

 If another Indonesian station never calls me again on CW it will be too soon.............The worst of the worst.

                                                                 Tom KH0/KC0W       
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N2SR

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Re: DXpeditions
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2023, 06:12:01 AM »

If I have a weak station calling me and a loud station calls in, I'll take the loud station first, especially if they are a quick Q.
Not always. My context is as a DXpedition operator, not a Contest operator. The number of times I have a loud station calling me, that ends up wasting my time as he is calling blind! You can almost hear his mate telling him "send 5nn, DX is calling you!" before the QSO is "completed", after many, many repeats.
Yet, the weak station calling under him more often than not responds immediately.

Note the text of the comment I was replying to.   ;)
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2023, 07:19:11 AM »

While we're all on a gripe fest here, I have one for ya.  With regard to spotting. No, it's not the non dx idiots who spot every dx station that answers their CQ, misleading everyone. That one has been beaten to death.  My peeve is this.  Why would anyone calling the dx in a pile up spot on the cluster THEIR TRANSMIT FREQUENCY FIRST, AS OPPOSED TO THE DX STATIONS OPERATING FREQUENCY?  WHY?....JUST WHY????.....someone please explain the logic in this.....as some people are just stuck on STUPID!..... ya wanna spot YOUR transmit frequency?  DO IT IN THE COMMENT FIELD....I.E.

DX - TN8K - 28005  --- QSX 28008.7...... or  Wrkd 28008.7.....or UP 3.5......

and GET A CLUE!....COMPRENDE?

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2023, 07:29:41 AM »

While we're all on a gripe fest here, I have one for ya.  With regard to spotting. No, it's not the non dx idiots who spot every dx station that answers their CQ, misleading everyone. That one has been beaten to death.  My peeve is this.  Why would anyone calling the dx in a pile up spot on the cluster THEIR TRANSMIT FREQUENCY FIRST, AS OPPOSED TO THE DX STATIONS OPERATING FREQUENCY?  WHY?....JUST WHY????.....someone please explain the logic in this.....as some people are just stuck on STUPID!..... ya wanna spot YOUR transmit frequency?  DO IT IN THE COMMENT FIELD....I.E.

DX - TN8K - 28005  --- QSX 28008.7...... or  Wrkd 28008.7.....or UP 3.5......

and GET A CLUE!....COMPRENDE?

V
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Do some of the logging software packages have a button you push to send a spot and they just send your transmit freq?

Reason I ask is because very often I will see an FT8 spot for a freq like 7076.3 instead of  7074.0    I always assumed it was some sort of automatic  spotting deal and sent the op's transmit freq.

Gino - KE8KMX
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Re: DXpeditions
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2023, 03:11:48 PM »

Hi when dxpeditions especially big ones arrive I hear alot about LIDS and Tailenders,can someone tell me what thy are,I take it theyre not good as some one said on a forum that TN8K and Bouvet will be 2 Lid fests

Liddish behaviour includes things like accidentally not setting your radio to split (we're all guilty of that at one time or another), calling without hearing the DX, being on the wrong FT8 sequence or having your time incorrectly set and similar behaviour. Being a lousy operator, essentially, that makes it more frustrating for others to work the DX, or worse, makes it difficult for the DX to efficiently work down the pile.

TAILENDERS! The bane of DXpedition operators.

Depends on how they're tail-ending. A big signal sent after the 599 but (hopefully) before the DX has a chance to change his listening frequency might get me in the log. In CW pileups, throwing in my call on the same frequency that the last guy sent his 5NN to the DX on (after it was acknowledged by the DX of course) is the easiest way to work in my experience. But that's not the same as keying down on top of someone who's working the DX; that is the ultimate in lid-dom and worthy of being ignored.
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