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KD9PQB

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Random questions
« on: January 15, 2023, 10:04:48 AM »

Relatively new to this hobby - just passed my General and studying for the Extra -

When the FCC says per CFR § 97.313 Transmitter power standards. (a) An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications - does anyone besides those doing QRP actually adjust power up and down to follow that or if you've got 100W or 1500W you just park it there? 

Why can't the FCC shut down the bozos on 7.200?  Yes, I know I can skip over that frequency when they're having their parties, just wondering how that continues.  I read an article on QRZ recently about a 30 year - yes, a three decade - hunt for someone in Utah who got his jollies rebroadcasting commercial radio on his commutes.  Is there any teeth in enforcement or not?

In listening to people trying to connect with a DX station last week, one gentleman the width of the country away from me kept yelling out his call sign every thirty seconds or so.  I was trying to hear who the DX station was so I heard him go on for at least five minutes and he was booming.  Is that acceptable behavior?  I heard other weaker (to me) stations trying to make contact but nowhere near as insistent.

At this point I'm just trying to listen in and see how things work while I work on CW and study and wait for the ground to thaw so I can anchor my tower.

Thanks
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W0CKI

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Re: Random questions
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2023, 10:33:07 AM »

I can only speak for myself; I do take into consideration the power necessary to complete a contact. Often, I'll stay with 100 watts, mostly on CW.

7.200 Clowns. The'll be on as long as they live, just like the Canadian ham on 14.313.

The single greatest LID fest ever. TN8K and FT8WW plus others. What a joke, I know the ham you're talking about. He just called and called. I broke in and asked if he ever listened. He didn't have time to respond. I think his calling was less than 30 seconds apart, more like 5 seconds.
The TN8 guys are great ops, FT8 guys, mixed. Having a split spread of 20 plus KC didn't help.
Oh well, It's not just the new guys or the general class guys, it's everyone with a license!
I've been a ham for a long time plus I'm older than dirt.
73 and enjoy the hobby.
Gary W0CKI
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AI5BC

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Re: Random questions
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2023, 10:39:30 AM »

When the FCC says per CFR § 97.313 Transmitter power standards. (a) An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications - does anyone besides those doing QRP actually adjust power up and down to follow that or if you've got 100W or 1500W you just park it there?   
Rules are suggestions. Hams and CB operators operate at maximum smoke.

Why can't the FCC shut down the bozos on 7.200?  Yes, I know I can skip over that frequency when they're having their parties, just wondering how that continues.  I read an article on QRZ recently about a 30 year - yes, a three decade - hunt for someone in Utah who got his jollies rebroadcasting commercial radio on his commutes.  Is there any teeth in enforcement or not? 
No more commercial interest in HF frequencies. No one cares. Many of us really like the bozo's, many find it hilarious when they get under ham skin. Just like the TV, spin the dial if you do not like what you hear, and the brightness knob failed. 

In listening to people trying to connect with a DX station last week, one gentleman the width of the country away from me kept yelling out his call sign every thirty seconds or so.  I was trying to hear who the DX station was so I heard him go on for at least five minutes and he was booming.  Is that acceptable behavior?  I heard other weaker (to me) stations trying to make contact but nowhere near as insistent.
Absolutely acceptable behavior, no one was answering, so the frequency is open. Relates to your first question. Hams are known for their piss poor HF antennas running at maximum smoke. Makes for a Crocodile Site, all mouth and no ears.

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SWMAN

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2023, 11:04:59 AM »

 I’m pretty sure that 5BC is one of those BOZOs.
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W0CKI

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2023, 11:19:46 AM »

He no doubt is, but he has an answer for everything!
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SWMAN

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2023, 11:51:37 AM »

 He always has an answer but always a real cocky answer.
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WB6BYU

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Re: Random questions
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2023, 11:52:43 AM »

Quote from: KD9PQB

When the FCC says per CFR § 97.313 Transmitter power standards. (a) An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications - does anyone besides those doing QRP actually adjust power up and down to follow that or if you've got 100W or 1500W you just park it there? 



Generally I'd guess that a lot of hams running 100W leave their
radio set at that level, even when they could get through at lower
power, just because it is easier than readjusting the ALC, mic gain,
drive level, or whatever is required.  And some HF radios didn't
have the ability to turn down the power conveniently.

Using an amplifier is somewhat different, as you usually can
switch it on or off.  But if it only takes 30W to drive it to full power,
some hams won't want to bother resetting the radio for 100W
when not using the amp.

Sometimes you want more than absolutely necessary so there
is margin for fading and other quirks of propagation.

Personally, I use the power control a lot on my radios, often
turning them down to 5 or 10 watts initially, then up to 100W
when needed.  This is easier on CW than on SSB, as I don't
have to worry about mic gain or ALC, just the drive level.
But I'm probably in your QRP group anyway.


It also depends on what the "desired communications" are.
Some operators appear to desire to communicate, "I'm the
loudest idiot on the band", along with their total disgust at
any other hams who might want to use "their" band.  They
might not limit themselves to a mere 1500W in the process,
but, to be honest, they've probably communicated that
years ago, so don't really need to continue.



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Why can't the FCC shut down the bozos on 7.200?  Yes, I know I can skip over that frequency when they're having their parties, just wondering how that continues.  I read an article on QRZ recently about a 30 year - yes, a three decade - hunt for someone in Utah who got his jollies rebroadcasting commercial radio on his commutes.  Is there any teeth in enforcement or not?



Ham radio is well down the priority list for FCC enforcement,
and their field resources have been stretched pretty thin in
recent years.

That's not to say that there isn't any enforcement - we
periodically see licenses revoked or fines issued to hams,
but it takes considerable time to collect the evidence and
prosecute a case.  In many cases, the FCC relies on hams
to collect initial data, often coordinated through the ARRL.
On HF, triangulation is more difficult, and trying to DF a
moving vehicle is not a trivial task.  But it can be done
when there is enough incentive and a clear violation of
the rules.

KD9PQB

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2023, 12:25:12 PM »


Thanks for all of the thoughtful answers.  Helps me understand how things work so I don't offend or take offense from a lack of understanding.  There are a number of interesting and well ordered nets I've been listening to that I can mark up on when I'm ready.  I used to sail offshore a good bit and really enjoyed the cruisers' nets.  I'm now using a mag loop with a KX3 and I don't think my signal is getting out there.   I've got a crank up tower and a KXPA 100W amp I plan on using when it warms up enough to sink anchors.

On the homeless encampment on 7200, they're not nearly as clever as they seem to think they are.  Glib is the redheaded stepchild of smart, though I did think the riff on The Three Stooges last night was amusing.  They will be remembered long after everyone camping and vamping on 7200 is long gone.  I can live without that little slice of bandwidth.  That doesn't get under my skin.  I was just curious as to why the FCC doesn't run them off.

Thanks again.
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AI5BC

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2023, 12:34:41 PM »

He always has an answer but always a real cocky answer.
Well at least I have answers Boomer. All you have is "Wow" comments. I tell it like it is. But thank you for your support.
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SWMAN

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2023, 01:41:35 PM »

!!!!!!  WOW  !!!!!!
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KF4HR

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Re: Random questions
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2023, 01:52:41 PM »

"Is there any teeth in enforcement or not?"

Google:

What happens if you violate FCC rules?

and

"FCC Amateur Radio imposed fines"

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KD9PQB

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Re: Random questions
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2023, 02:19:04 PM »

Not trying to be argumentative but the fact that the scofflaws continue to abuse radio privileges openly and notoriously suggests to me that the FCC isn't as aggressive in policing the airwaves as they might be.  The one case I read about Materne never stated whether he paid the $18,000 fine - he said he was incapable of paying - and if he did not, what the repercussions were.  The FCC has the statutory authority to do a great deal but whether they actually exercise that authority seems to be another matter.  When I was a volunteer broadcaster at an NPR station, we were made acutely aware that the FCC was monitoring us.
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K6AER

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Re: Random questions
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2023, 02:26:36 PM »

I work mostly SSB and CW on 40 and 20 meters.

I always call CQ with the amp on when using SSB. Most hams have very high noise levels. I have talked with many hams who could not copy me when using less than 500 watts. The amplifier is just another tool in the tool box.

Out here in the high desert my noise level is S zero. I hear QRP stations most stations never hear.

As for bad behavior, their will always be those groups. That is why we have VFO's.
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KG6BRG

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2023, 04:35:26 PM »

Ignore the LIDS, and spin the dial, that's what the big knob is for after all.  Me, 100 watts or less, usually about 20 watts or less.  QRO guys don't get it, but there's room for all of us.  I like QRP, doing more with less. 
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AI5BC

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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2023, 06:12:34 PM »

Not trying to be argumentative but the fact that the scofflaws continue to abuse radio privileges openly and notoriously suggests to me that the FCC isn't as aggressive in policing the airwaves as they might be.
Your perceptions are correct. Technology and times have changed considerable in the last 40 years. All commercial interest in the HF and Low VHF are for the part mostly gone, technology left it behind. All TV broadcasting stations have moved out of VHF Low band which hams interfere with; problem solved. CATV replaced OTA broadcast. AM broadcast stations are dropping like flies, and Short-Wave Radio is almost nonexistent left to loony tunes religious content and right/left propaganda. There is no money to be made, the bandwidth is just too small to be useful to anyone. Green Mafia interest have over-ridden any HF noise concerns, no one uses them or cares anymore.   

The scofflaws you speak of are not technically breaking any rules. They just operate in a manor you do not like. It is a form of entertainment and the new generation moving in. Spin the dial, the hobby is not what it once was. The HF band is abandoned left to CB and ham radio operators, technology left them behind. As long as you do not interfere with commercial bands in VHF and UHF spectrum, the FCC has better things to do.  HF is the Wild West today.   
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