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N5PG

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Re: FT8WW
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2023, 12:00:06 AM »

I posted this on our local club chat room tonight:

 "Paul N5PG, Yesterday 8:50 PM (Central)
  FT8WW 14068 +8
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Earliest and best I ever heard him, maybe he put up a better antenna finally.

Good Hunting, 73

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EI2GLB

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« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2023, 10:22:54 AM »

He was on 12m FT8 today, I called for 5hrs solid and nothing,

I tried high up low down following others ect and nothing,

He must have worked half of the active stations in Italy and France, Not a single EI or GI was worked,

I see Darrell G0HVQ made it so well done Darrell,

What a waste of electric that was, And I was using a lot, I could have cooked eggs on the amp  ::)

I like FT8 but hate big FT8 pile up's there is no skill in it, there is zero way to lower your odd's like you can do in CW,
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« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2023, 08:14:15 PM »

I like FT8 but hate big FT8 pile up's there is no skill in it, there is zero way to lower your odd's like you can do in CW,
I still find CW the best way to work the DX, unless the DX isn't on CW! FT8 is a PITA when you are trying to find a gap in the pileup. It's probably similar to trying to work someone in CW who is using a skimmer, and jumping all over the pileup.
Give me a skilled CW operator at the other end anytime!
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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2023, 04:22:05 AM »

He pops up on 15 cw most mornings at East Coast sunrise, but he's always working JAs and a smattering of EU. 

If he would only listen for NA once in a while.....

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Re: FT8WW
« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2023, 08:01:03 AM »

He pops up on 15 cw most mornings at East Coast sunrise, but he's always working JAs and a smattering of EU. If he would only listen for NA once in a while.....
He's on 12 at the moment (11am Eastern Time) running four streams of Europeans continually. Huge signal to NA but not a single one worked in the time I've been trying.
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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2023, 08:54:33 AM »

He worked a few NA earlier and is still calling the odd one, a tip call him on one of his TX frequencies I spent 6 hours trying in total and then 5 minutes after moving there I got in,

I wouldn't normally call on a DX frequency but I seen a E7 do it and it worked so I said I'd give it a go,


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He pops up on 15 cw most mornings at East Coast sunrise, but he's always working JAs and a smattering of EU. If he would only listen for NA once in a while.....
He's on 12 at the moment (11am Eastern Time) running four streams of Europeans continually. Huge signal to NA but not a single one worked in the time I've been trying.
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Re: FT8WW
« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2023, 09:48:26 AM »

He was on 12m FT8 today, I called for 5hrs solid and nothing,
I see Darrell G0HVQ made it so well done Darrell,
I like FT8 but hate big FT8 pile up's there is no skill in it, there is zero way to lower your odd's like you can do in CW,

Thanks Trevor.

I employed the same technique I use in CW pileups, listening (watching) a lot where the people he worked were and TXing around the same freq, and trying to work out any pattern to the stations he selected. I spent quite a while calling, what helped in the end was that he faded out completely but I hung around and he came back up out of the noise 10mins later and quite strong too, by which time a lot of the callers had gone QRT. Found an empty slot around 2400Hz and bingo. It was quite late for 12m here, right on sunset. I wasn't expecting to make it but pleased to get 12m.

Glad you got him in the end.
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WO7R

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« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2023, 01:38:01 PM »

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I like FT8 but hate big FT8 pile up's there is no skill in it,

Well, if you don't apply any skills, there isn't any skill.  Some of us think otherwise and we do tend to get into the log just a little more often.

It's like any other pileup in the end.  If you can out-think the mob, your chances of getting picked go up.
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EI2GLB

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« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2023, 02:11:56 PM »

Haven't missed too many that I've tried to work,

Last one was Peter 1 back in 07 and all I had back then was SSB and 100w to a 40m dipole 10ft up at my parents house,

So I do have an idea what I'm at,

but there isn't much you can do if the DX is just randomly picking calls, you just stand you ground and wait, occasionally stopping to see if your DF is clear and pick out a few he is working to look for a pattern,


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I like FT8 but hate big FT8 pile up's there is no skill in it,

Well, if you don't apply any skills, there isn't any skill.  Some of us think otherwise and we do tend to get into the log just a little more often.

It's like any other pileup in the end.  If you can out-think the mob, your chances of getting picked go up.
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« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2023, 07:14:58 PM »

FT8WW is strong on 14.085 FT8 F/H now... worked in two calls and received a +04db report. Pretty good for ~90w  :)

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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2023, 07:21:32 PM »

Haven't missed too many that I've tried to work,


I missed some - mostly because a large hill blocks my signal path to south east Asia - so places like T8, XX9, 3W, 4W are very difficult. Glorioso, but I was living in an apartment at the time with an indoor antenna.. so. Otherwise I manage to work just about everything else I try to work. If I can figure out antenna modeling and HFTA I'd love to take a crack at building something that would "get me over the hill" with a decent signal over the pole. Either that or a 500 foot self supporting tower  8)
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« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2023, 07:48:03 PM »

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but there isn't much you can do if the DX is just randomly picking calls,

People are notoriously not all that random.  It may be harder than finding out someone is working a "snake" pattern on CW, but there is a pattern to such operators.  It may be hard to discern, and maybe I fail to find it, too, but there is one.

We can, if we like, stand our ground and wait as you suggest.  Or, we can try and figure something out.  It sounds like you have often enough done so.  Well, all I can suggest is "keep at it" because if you are experienced and are not in the log in a reasonable time, you are somehow outside of the DX' pattern.
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« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2023, 11:30:06 PM »

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but there isn't much you can do if the DX is just randomly picking calls,
People are notoriously not all that random.  It may be harder than finding out someone is working a "snake" pattern on CW, but there is a pattern to such operators. It may be hard to discern, and maybe I fail to find it, too, but there is one.
We can, if we like, stand our ground and wait as you suggest.  Or, we can try and figure something out.
I will always look for the QSX first, and that takes a bit of time depending how crazy the pileup is. I've only been in a few very wicked-nasty pileups where the op would spin the dial after every QSO. Usually they're trying to keep rate, so they'll find somebody loud and work him, and the inevitable cluster of enclued callers who've figured it out. When it becomes impossible to pick out a caller they'll move a bit (or a lot), or else start at the top or bottom edge. If I find the QSX and just don't have any luck at all then I'll encamp on a frequency and call in turn for as long as I can hear him, and hope for the best.

If I can figure out antenna modeling and HFTA I'd love to take a crack at building something that would "get me over the hill" with a decent signal over the pole. Either that or a 500 foot self supporting tower  8)
HFTA is eye-opening. That's how I discovered just how screwed I was to certain parts of the world compared to someone theoretically a mile east of me. The key is your takeoff angle. If your takeoff angle is around 4-6 degrees you'll easily work short and medium range DX. South America, western Europe, our West Coast, etc. If you're around 3 degrees you'll do a lot better and will have an OK signal to the middle east, Japan, VK/ZL, and so on. If your takeoff angle on a directional antenna array is dead flat or less than 1 degree then you'll own the real long-haul DX in those directions. I've got a clean takeoff to Japan and I'll get through to weak JAs when a lot of guys here can't work the big gun JAs in contests. I'm clean over the pole so if there's good propagation I'll always be able to work into China, Indonesia, etc, on the upper bands. Easy-peasy. But I'm blocked from 020° to 220°, so all of Europe, Africa and the Southern Ocean is at about 6-10 degrees. If conditions are rips I can get through, but in marginal propagation, if I am able to make the contact, it's usually on the third or fourth day, with a lot of QSB.

HFTA calculations are complex to configure, but once you get a set of 5° radial fans saved it's just a question of plugging in the right data, along with angle data from the .PRN files. But if you're seriously terrain limited within about 4km there's not much you can do, as the Bouvet crew found when trying to work to NA.
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Re: FT8WW
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2023, 07:09:52 AM »

I managed somehow to work Thierry on 12m yesterday right as he was fading away (exactly as VOACAP predicted!), and already today the QSO showed up in ClubLog.  He's killing it!
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Re: FT8WW
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2023, 08:57:18 PM »

Anyone know what he's using for HF antenna nowadays?
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