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KD9DOG

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Building an Amplifier
« on: January 19, 2023, 08:50:42 PM »

I could just buy a new or used amp but that would be to easy so I would like to try my hand at building one, where can I buy a book to help me with the building of an amp say 1500 W all bands
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K8AXW

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2023, 09:15:09 PM »

How about an ARRL Handbook?  That's where I built mine from.

You should prepare yourself for a long and adventurous road ahead.  It's becoming more and more difficult to find suitable parts.

Good luck!
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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2023, 10:11:24 PM »

A lot of hams including myself are gathering and assembling various boards and parts to construct solid state amps, it's not cheap and it's definitely not "building" in the same sense as actually designing etc..
I would say it's at the intermediate level as far as skill and knowledge required.
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LA9XNA

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2023, 01:00:19 AM »

If you are new to amps you should start looking into MRF300 amplifiers. There are kits and bords with one two and four transistors to select from.
You can get premade boards and the transistors are 30-40$ depending on where you get them.
The higher powered transistors is several times this (5-10 times) so a failure in the amplifier will be very costly.
By selecting parts that can operate at 1,5kW or higher except the rf-pallet you wold in the future be able to upgrade your amp to a higher output.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mrf300+amplifier&newwindow=1&sxsrf=AJOqlzXAEnvXXCV8kdyppIyXSHOvTmjCLw:1674205165341&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjz46Sh5NX8AhU7VvEDHWjpBmQQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1366&bih=663&dpr=1

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2023, 05:55:05 AM »

The key to a long-lived solid state amp is a very good supervisory circuit. Don't skimp.

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2023, 09:01:57 AM »

What are your current skill sets, and past experience?   How deep are your pockets ?   How much test gear to you have ?
What shop tools do you have ?  Have you ever owned or operated an amplifier before ?

As far as tube amps go, it's 80% metal work.  Pre-made aluminum boxes in every size imaginable are offered by ICA manufacturing, and others...which simplifies a lot of the work.

Is the object  1.5 kw SSB / CW...or does it include FM / RTTY/ AM / FT-8 / Data modes.  What bands, 80-10m, 160-10m, 160-6m.
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K8AXW

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2023, 09:36:42 AM »

DOD:   :P  As you can see now, building an amplifier is going to be a long drawn out process!  A great deal of this process is deciding which way to go...tube, solid-state...for starters.  If you was a design engineer I doubt that you would be posting here.... so research is the first item on the list and the one item you don't want to skimp on.

When I built my amp (over 35 years ago) I started by accumulating operating manuals for every amp on the market.  (Tube type and 1.5Kw)  I examined each feature and incorporated what I wanted into my basic design choice.  That was fun!

At some point you will have to say "ENOUGH."  That's when the tools come into play.  NOT BEFORE!

Regardless of how long it takes, the trip is worth it. 
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W7CXC

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2023, 10:25:42 AM »

Look for a copy of older ARRL handbooks in the 60's or late 50's for tube type amps also the "Radio Handbook" from the same era. Parts sourcing will be the big issue. Solid state ....I would buy and not build, thats just me though. Good luck! 73"s David
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VR2AX

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2023, 11:32:29 AM »

Tube / valve amps are quite easy to build. As previously noted, most of the physical work is metalwork. Don't expect your product to look anything like fancy. Expect to lose everything you invested in the build, like zero resale value. The big con of tube amps is the real risk to life, from the HV psu. A review of other post in this forum may suggest that even experts don't have exactly the same opinion, as to what is 'safe' and what is 'unsafe'. Neither absolutely exists.

Fail points in amps are usually the tube, easy (not always cheap) to replace. Next something in the HV area, from transformer to a blown resistor or bank of electrolytic capacitors. Add in modern 'improvements' like SWR protection (assumes you get too excited to look at the meter), on PCB  boards, adds another area of possible downtime.

1500 out is in itself a serious thing, assume 3000 in or about 12 amps current draw at 240 very round figures. I would respectfully not start with something that 'big', you will see comments about amps with 20-25KW output, oddly, DX stations rarely hear those commentators on the air. If you really 'must' build a tube amp, I would go for a single 3-500zg, at 600 watts output.

Building or assembling a solid state amplifier is generally more complex as a project (opinion). They are fairly broadband so the design principle is different from tube amps, which must be 'tuned' (matched to the antenna). Much less (but not zero) HV risk, voltages are usually 50v or less. But any failure means either getting out the hefty sobering and/or small soldering irons, and finding out if the output solid state devices are sill available.

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HAMHOCK75

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2023, 01:47:17 PM »

I thought about this myself at one time. A material list was made of all the parts that would be required. As time went by, that list became longer and longer as features were added.

For the cost of just the parts for a homebrew amplifier, one could buy a used but not working amplifier and restore it. Perhaps more important, there is much to be learned from examining how professional designs work. Now if I decided to homebrew one, I know what is needed and why.
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KU3X

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2023, 07:02:06 AM »

I could just buy a new or used amp but that would be to easy so I would like to try my hand at building one, where can I buy a book to help me with the building of an amp say 1500 W all bands

I've built numerous tube type HF amps. I read the ARRL Handbook but I found that Bill Orr's Radio Handbook to be the best for me. For solid state, this is not the book for you. For tube type amps, it's my bible. You can still pick up 4-1000 tubes at a reasonable price. 

https://www.ku3x.net/hf-amplifier-primary/4-1000-backup-amp

Barry, KU3X
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AI5BC

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2023, 08:20:57 AM »

Well, I hope you have a lot of fun wasting your time and money. It will be a lot like going to Las Vegas. Lots of fun, and you come home empty handed, broke with nothing to show for it.
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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2023, 08:35:36 AM »

A 3-500Z amp is the simplest thing you can build to prove you are not a plug and play ham.
A pair will do 1500 watts with a good power supply.
You can put a schematic for the whole thing on one sheet of typing paper.
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VE7RF

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2023, 11:04:37 AM »

Well, I hope you have a lot of fun wasting your time and money. It will be a lot like going to Las Vegas. Lots of fun, and you come home empty handed, broke with nothing to show for it.

Say what ?  All my hb amps since 1974 have run flawlessly.  High Mu GG triodes are dead simple for the most part. It's just a PI tuned input..and a PI tuned output. The metering is dead simple. Ditto with the TR relay setup, bias, cutoff bias, fil, and B+.
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K8AXW

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Re: Building an Amplifier
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2023, 08:57:03 PM »

RF:  Times two!  I usually don't respond to trolls but will comment this time just to provide DOG with another viewpoint.

I used my HB 1400w (2 X 3-500Z's) for 35 years.  The build was one of the most rewarding projects that I have ever done.  It had me whipped at one point but after solving the problem the amp went on without a hiccup for 35 years of service.  The only problem with it now is the tubes are getting soft.  I would have replaced them but I wanted to go all SS before going SK. 

A link to my experience with my amp build is located in my bio on QRZ.com. 

DOG:  Build it!  Tube type if you have little experience in building...SS if you're very circuit savvy.  SS requires very good system controls or you'll find yourself buying very expensive power transistors.
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