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KH6AQ

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Repeating your call sign
« on: January 23, 2023, 11:38:14 AM »

Please don't repeat your call unless the running station has copied it incorrectly. When you repeat your call you are telling him you did not copy my call sign correctly. Here it is again. If the calling station asks if he has your call correct please do not send your call again, send R R R.

During noisy/weak/QSB conditions this causes endless delays like so:

CQ TEST KH6AQ  (running station)
IK7OD                (S&P)
IK7OD 5NN 085   (running station)
IK7OD 5NN 111   (S&P)
IK7OD?               (running station asking if he copied your call correctly)
IK7OD IK70D 5NN 085  (S&P adding to the confusion)
IK70D?               (running station asking again)
and so on until
SRI NIL NIL NIL   (running station)

The DX Code of Conduct (also used by contest ops) says:

"When the DX operator calls me, I will not repeat my call sign unless I think he has copied it incorrectly."



DX Code of Conduct

https://dx-code.com/#:~:text=DX%20Code%20of%20Conduct&text=I%20will%20listen%2C%20and%20listen,station's%20call%20sign%20before%20calling.
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2023, 04:17:45 PM »

Nice.

So, when you know they copied your call incorrectly, is there a proper way to respond?

I've been doing it like this:

"de K2WPM" ... then my normal signal report etc.

David, K2WPM
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2023, 05:57:33 PM »

just happened to me today... i'm no paper chaser, but i did respond to a call from a station during lots of qsb and qrn (high noise today on a number of bands)

couldn't make out if the op got my call right, so i used 'de mycall' and a sig rpt

worked fb
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2023, 02:36:01 AM »

Nice.

So, when you know they copied your call incorrectly, is there a proper way to respond?

I've been doing it like this:

"de K2WPM" ... then my normal signal report etc.

David, K2WPM

Why "de" ?  The other station is listening for you, knows your signal level and tone.   

The best way is to send just your call again - without the signal report.  This tells the other operator that "this is my call" and "until you get it correct, I won't give you my report." 

When the other operator sends back your call correctly (and likely the report), then you give the signal report.
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2023, 03:53:47 AM »

While we are at it, no 73, No FB, no Good Luck in the Contest.
Argh 😠
I would rather enjoy my contacts than get the extra points.
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K7JQ

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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2023, 06:12:58 AM »


While we are at it, no 73, No FB, no Good Luck in the Contest.
Argh 😠
I would rather enjoy my contacts than get the extra points.

Those comments are fine for casual QSO’s, but have no place in contests. They just slow down the contest Q exchange process, and prevent the contester from moving on to the next caller.

Contests are all about QSO rates…the more Q’s/hour and accumulation of multipliers, the more points and higher the score. That’s obviously the purpose of the competition. The Q should be strictly limited to the specified exchange, and nothing more.

If you’re going to participate in contests, or casually answer a “CQ TEST”, common courtesy would be to know the exchange and keep it as brief as possible with no extra comments.

There’s plenty of room for casual ragchewing on off-contest frequencies or the WARC bands ;).
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K1FBI

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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2023, 06:21:20 AM »


While we are at it, no 73, No FB, no Good Luck in the Contest.
Argh 😠
I would rather enjoy my contacts than get the extra points.

Those comments are fine for casual QSO’s, but have no place in contests. They just slow down the contest Q exchange process, and prevent the contester from moving on to the next caller.

Contests are all about QSO rates…the more Q’s/hour and accumulation of multipliers, the more points and higher the score. That’s obviously the purpose of the competition. The Q should be strictly limited to the specified exchange, and nothing more.

If you’re going to participate in contests, or casually answer a “CQ TEST”, common courtesy would be to know the exchange and keep it as brief as possible with no extra comments.
Depending on the Contest. Some are actually structured to encourage a more laid back and friendlier pace.
I never got myself upset because a Contestant took an extra 5 seconds. I guess FT8 would eliminate that concern.
I enjoy my ARRL award certificate but would have enjoyed the contest whether I got it or not.
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2023, 06:28:10 AM »

You can pretty easily tell by listening to the op calling CQ what sort of response makes the most sense, whether in a contest of not.

Even on a Tuesday, if I hear someone sending short CQs and only sending 5NN to the station he answers, I'm pretty sure he isn't interested in ragchewing with me.

Even on a Saturday, if I hear someone sending 3x3 CQs I'm pretty sure he isn't interested in me sending him just 5NN MD.

In between those extremes, if you hear an obvious rate junkie calling CQ TEST at 40 wpm and don't want to just send them minimum, keep spinning the VFO knob. There are ways good contesters can signal they would rather work you than have you do that - On CW they will be sending more slowly, on phone they might throw in "Anyone, anywhere" etc.

Fred K3ZO, a recent SK, was a Hall of Fame contester that never once complained about the "Please copy..." and "QSL 599 Maryland, your..." and never sent CW all that fast and always acknowledged a "Hi, Fred" - but was a perennial top 10 finisher in phone and CW contests. Fred also NEVER sent an extraneous character or word when he was working a rate junkie!

73 John K3TN


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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2023, 06:30:45 AM »

He might have assumed the <call> ? was because you didn't hear anything from him and that you were preparing to move onto the next QSO (if you didn't hear from him on the next listen attempt).

I usually use "CL?" in a situation like that, or perhaps <call> QSL? Some stations will respond with the call, others with "R".
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N2SR

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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2023, 07:30:44 AM »


If you’re going to participate in contests, or casually answer a “CQ TEST”, common courtesy would be to know the exchange and keep it as brief as possible with no extra comments.


I know a few people who claim to be contesters but ask other club members what the exchange is.  After operating ARRL CW, one guy asked what the exchange was for ARRL SSB.  I asked him what he sent in ARRL CW (a week before) and he had a hissy fit. 

But yes, there are always the inevitable callers who do not know the exchange.  What zone they are in, or what they need to send/provide.  Not sure how "against the rules" it is to tell them what their own zone is or ask them what their transmitter power is. 

Or the USA callers (usually not VEs) that call in during ARRL DX.  If my rate is hot, I ignore them.  Anyone outside of NA is a priority.  If no one else is calling, I'll work them.  Easier to get them out of the way then to try and explain the rules. 

Then there was one South American who would give a serial number exchange in ARRL CW every year. 

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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2023, 07:50:47 AM »

Another facet of "Repeating your call sign": The runner (CQer) that on SSB just says "QRZ" after each QSO...through 5-10 QSO's or more! Making the OP wanting to work him wait to see who it is. In the time it takes to say"QRZ", he could just as easily give his call sign, and grab the guy that eventually gets frustrated and spins the VFO elsewhere ;). The same thing on CW where the op just sends "TU" or "dit-dit" after multiple Q's.

The only place I can see some validation for this is if the OP already has a sizable pile-up going, and doesn't want to invite more callers to add to the noise. But that doesn't happen too often unless he's a rare multiplier. Non-contest DXpeditions working split are exempt from my comments.

Another thing that raises my eyebrows is the OP that calls "CQ TEST" with three or four contests going on at the same time. C'est la vie ;).
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2023, 09:15:44 AM »

Nice.

So, when you know they copied your call incorrectly, is there a proper way to respond?

I've been doing it like this:

"de K2WPM" ... then my normal signal report etc.

David, K2WPM

Why "de" ?  The other station is listening for you, knows your signal level and tone.   

The best way is to send just your call again - without the signal report.  This tells the other operator that "this is my call" and "until you get it correct, I won't give you my report." 

When the other operator sends back your call correctly (and likely the report), then you give the signal report.

Exactly.
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2023, 05:36:57 PM »

So, when you know they copied your call incorrectly, is there a proper way to respond?

I've been doing it like this:

"de K2WPM" ... then my normal signal report etc.

I agree that you don't need the "de", assuming this is referring to CW...  Send your call to let him know he had it wrong and right into your exchange is the smooth way to go :-)

The Wednesday CWTs (4 of them now!)  are great practice for the big contests.

If you are answering a CQing station and he replies with your call wrong with HIS exchange,  just send your call (MAYBE twice if you think you are really weak, or to emphasize the need for a correction) and your exchange.  In the CWT it is just your name and State, or name and CWops number if you have one.

No "de" is needed.  And you can just send your call and follow it with your exchange, not necessary to wait for him to repeat your call correctly BEFORE sending your info.  That just ads another round of back and forth.  The CQer will reply with your corrected call (or the letters he had wrong) and send his usual "TU" or whatever he does before CQing again.

EVERYONE is welcome to participate in the Wednesday CWTs, the CQers all want someone to answer them :-)

Glenn AE0Q
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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2023, 09:40:03 PM »

On SSB please give your call phonetically.  I see this especially in state QSO parties.  Maybe because that has smaller gun contesters.  They will call CQ and just give their call non-phonetically.  Many letters sound alike and it can be very difficult to copy a call correctly.

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Re: Repeating your call sign
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2023, 03:39:54 PM »

Another facet of "Repeating your call sign": The runner (CQer) that on SSB just says "QRZ" after each QSO...through 5-10 QSO's or more! Making the OP wanting to work him wait to see who it is. In the time it takes to say"QRZ", he could just as easily give his call sign, and grab the guy that eventually gets frustrated and spins the VFO elsewhere

Yes! That is my biggest pet peeve in contests. I am mainly a hunt-and-pounce phone contester. With just 100W and a triband up 40 feet in the Midwest, I rarely can hold a frequency for running. In the past couple of years I have gravitated to unlimited/assisted and am having a much better time of it. It cuts down on the wasted time waiting for a super-powered big dog to give his call only to find he's a dupe.
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