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KC0W

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Re: P5
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2023, 03:28:35 PM »

 Perhaps he is thinking about Romeo as P5RS7. I'm not sure how the two could be confused though.

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K1VSK

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2023, 04:44:49 PM »

You seem to be very easily fooled, very gullible.



N0UN
You just broke the irony meter. Pot meet kettle.
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W4AMP

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Re: P5
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2023, 11:13:35 PM »

You seem to be very easily fooled, very gullible.



N0UN
You just broke the irony meter. Pot meet kettle.

Wayne is right. You are wrong.
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N1UR

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Re: P5
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2023, 03:58:11 AM »

Just because the ARRL approved it doesn't mean it occurred in P5.  It just means they approved it.

What and who does these approvals anyway?  I have done a few DXpeditions over the years and I never had to ask for it to be approved.  The cards were just accepted.  When I did Spratly, I expected some kind of reach out for licenses and permission to operate, which I had, but it sits in a file folder to this day, never scanned.

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K5GS

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2023, 04:23:13 AM »

Just because the ARRL approved it doesn't mean it occurred in P5.  It just means they approved it.

What and who does these approvals anyway?  I have done a few DXpeditions over the years and I never had to ask for it to be approved.  The cards were just accepted.  When I did Spratly, I expected some kind of reach out for licenses and permission to operate, which I had, but it sits in a file folder to this day, never scanned.

Ed  N1UR

I don't know if Spratly was ever on the "Special Documentation Requirements" list.

Who approves?  DXCC Desk.

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/specialdocumentationrequirements/

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GS K5GS
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K1JX

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2023, 06:00:23 AM »


I don't know if Spratly was ever on the "Special Documentation Requirements" list.

Who approves?  DXCC Desk.

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/specialdocumentationrequirements/

Cheers,
GS K5GS

Isn't there more to it?  I'm thinking about ET7L.
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K5GS

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Re: P5
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2023, 06:15:40 AM »


I don't know if Spratly was ever on the "Special Documentation Requirements" list.

Who approves?  DXCC Desk.

https://lotw.arrl.org/lotw-help/specialdocumentationrequirements/

Cheers,
GS K5GS

Isn't there more to it?  I'm thinking about ET7L.

I responded to the comment about Spratly.
"When I did Spratly, I expected some kind of reach out for licenses and permission to operate, which I had, but it sits in a file folder to this day, never scanned."

For ET7L you would have to ask the DXCC Desk for the specifics.

Cheers,
GS K5GS
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WO7R

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Re: P5
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2023, 06:49:23 AM »

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There has been a P5 station spotted on FT8 several times over the last month. Most of the people that dislike FT8 don't even use the software so how would they go onto FT8 to "work him".

The True Blue DX fiasco has proved that many, many FT8 haters none the less work it from time to time.  Who knows what "most" consists of?  Maybe "most" is actually few.  Sure looks that way when we review the public history of that now defunct club.

I wonder how many broke ranks for Macquarie Island, which was recently activated by one (or was it two? ) residents, both of which pretty much exclusively used FT8.

The thing is, only residents can activate VK0M and we can go decades with it unavailable.  It was pretty close to "FT8 or nothing".  I know I worked it on FT8 because that's all I ever saw for spots.

Sure, some FT8 "haters" don't activate no matter what.  And some in True Blue were supposed to be expressing a preference, not a ban. 

In the end, that's semantics.

It is now clear that more than a few, maybe most True Blue members, are willing to make exceptions in extreme cases or even not so extreme cases.  That's beyond debate now.  A lot of "haters" don't quite hold the line.

I remember when hating DX List Operations was a big thing.  However, for many years, Monk Apollo basically hung around Snookie's net and nowhere else.  It was always taken for granted that a lot of folks swallowed their virtue long enough to get SV/A the only available way.  Sure, Monk Apollo eventually learned to run pileups.  But, it was by no means clear that was ever happening when he hung out at Snookie's.  The "line" at Snookie's was always very long, longer than usual, when Monk Apollo showed up.  This was pretty common knowledge.

So, one of the recurring things about the Grandpas among us that (publicly) forbid new tech is that when pushed hard enough, they will relent, albeit quietly.  And, frankly, it's OK with me.  This stuff is hard enough without the unwritten rules.

So, don't yammer on about how a "hater" will never work FT8.  The history of these things is one of quiet relenting in special cases.  Always true.  We don't have to know which have FT8 in their back pocket or not.  Not really our business in the end.  But, don't sucker yourself that there is this large group that absolute, unequivocally doesn't.

They may work it on FT8, hold the card with tweezers and hope for something "better" later.  But, that's the real world pattern.  It takes balls of steel to turn down a once in 30 year chance because it may only happen on FT8.  Most of us don't really have balls of steel like that.
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W2LO

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Re: P5
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2023, 06:55:45 AM »

 The group that operated as ET7L was in Ethiopia to do some work there and asked the ET authorities for a radio license since they needed communications. That license was granted but I don't know if the specific ET7L call was authorized.

 The group then decided to go on the amateur bands and initiate a DXpedition which is what happened. After they left Ethiopia the telecommunications authority learned of the unauthorized amateur activity and and the pain began. In their defense, the ET7L operators stated that they thought ham radio was included in the permission their license granted but the authorities categorically stated that it did not. For some time the continued existence of ham radio in ET was in serious doubt based on ET7L but fortunately that bullet was dodged.The ARRL DXCC has stated it's disallowed for "No license" but it's a nice card.
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K1VSK

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Re: P5
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2023, 07:25:26 AM »

Interesting that the only people who bring up the “FT8 haters” nonsense are FT8 users. Perpetuating the myth….
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WO7R

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2023, 07:39:16 AM »

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Interesting that the only people who bring up the “FT8 haters” nonsense are FT8 users. Perpetuating the myth….

What "myth"?  Is that how you intend to spin the failure of True Blue?  With make believe about the past of this group?

Read the forum for a while.  "Hater" applies very well to many in that group.

And, yes, their hatred is likely to be (however quietly) conditional.

Anti-tech Grandpas have always been with us.  They will hold out their spew as if it was everyone's opinion.  Right up to the moment it is routed.  There is then a very human tendency to try and gaslight the rest of us into believing it is/was something different.

Pfft.  Man up and admit to reality. There remains a rump group who would:

Put asterisks on any award that had any FT8 QSOs.
Create a "ghetto" of FT8 only variants to every award.

. . .and much, much more.  We've talked about it endlessly.
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SP65053

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Re: P5
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2023, 07:51:27 AM »

We are participating in very strange hobby. There are frauds on both sides: dxpeditions and Dxers. Probably all of you know that some of DXers play unfair game: use remote to listen or transmit, use friends to make qso, make qrm, use more power then in the license etc....
On Dxpedition side there are also unfair plays: use bands not allowed, pay baksheesh, use callsigns without license or to use more power that is allowed. (I have experience and I am sure that in certain DXped operations rules were broken). Some DXpeditions transmitted without license, signing ZA/, VP2V/, V2/, and more. Some people think that CEPT or reciprocal is valid all over the world. In fact it is NOT!
I think ARRL approval for dxpeditions is far from ideal. But probably they do not have enaugh people/money to make real investigations in certain issues.

PS: Did you try to ask P5 authorities about licenses issued ? What is their answer?

 
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K1JX

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Re: P5
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2023, 07:52:18 AM »

The group that operated as ET7L was in Ethiopia to do some work there and asked the ET authorities for a radio license since they needed communications. That license was granted but I don't know if the specific ET7L call was authorized.

 The group then decided to go on the amateur bands and initiate a DXpedition which is what happened. After they left Ethiopia the telecommunications authority learned of the unauthorized amateur activity and and the pain began. In their defense, the ET7L operators stated that they thought ham radio was included in the permission their license granted but the authorities categorically stated that it did not. For some time the continued existence of ham radio in ET was in serious doubt based on ET7L but fortunately that bullet was dodged.The ARRL DXCC has stated it's disallowed for "No license" but it's a nice card.

My only point was that there's apparently more to clearing the DXCC requirements bar than just proving that you are legally in the country.  Not trying to cause any kind of controversy or raise issues about ET7L - that was just an example that came to mind.  Lesson learned...
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K1VSK

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Re: P5
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2023, 08:07:52 AM »

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Interesting that the only people who bring up the “FT8 haters” nonsense are FT8 users. Perpetuating the myth….

What "myth"?  Is that how you intend to spin the failure of True Blue?  With make believe about the past of this group?

Read the forum for a while.  "Hater" applies very well to many in that group.

And, yes, their hatred is likely to be (however quietly) conditional.

Anti-tech Grandpas have always been with us.  They will hold out their spew as if it was everyone's opinion.  Right up to the moment it is routed.  There is then a very human tendency to try and gaslight the rest of us into believing it is/was something different.

Pfft.  Man up and admit to reality. There remains a rump group who would:

Put asterisks on any award that had any FT8 QSOs.
Create a "ghetto" of FT8 only variants to every award.

. . .and much, much more.  We've talked about it endlessly.
Sounds clear it’s you doing all the “hating” here. E.g., “anti-tech grandpas”, “spew”, “gaslight”, “create a ghetto”, ……

Give it a rest.
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WO7R

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2023, 10:50:41 AM »

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Sounds clear it’s you doing all the “hating” here.

Sounds like you haven't read the forum with all its holier-than-thou talk about FT8.

They don't say "to each his own". 

They say "using FT8 is ruining ham radio" or even just "it's wrong".  They heap scorn on it, and talk about "computers talking to computers", spout conspiracy theories they can't prove about rule breaking at the drop of a hat.

Some proudly say they watch FT8 percentages for an expedition and refuse to contribute if FT8 usages exceeds some self-selected, arbitrary amount.

But, yeah, they are all such reasonable creatures.  Sure they are.

There's a lot of invective in these posts that you seem to think aren't "haters".  But it sure sounds hateful and not just to me.

Oh, and when I present data proving FT8's popularity, they pull ideas out of their ass to try and pretend the data doesn't count.  Because the idea that they aren't the majority is one they just can't accept.

Why don't you give the gaslighting a rest?
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