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NU1O

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Re: P5
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2023, 11:06:04 AM »

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Interesting that the only people who bring up the “FT8 haters” nonsense are FT8 users. Perpetuating the myth….

What "myth"?  Is that how you intend to spin the failure of True Blue?  With make believe about the past of this group?

Read the forum for a while.  "Hater" applies very well to many in that group.

And, yes, their hatred is likely to be (however quietly) conditional.

Anti-tech Grandpas have always been with us.  They will hold out their spew as if it was everyone's opinion.  Right up to the moment it is routed.  There is then a very human tendency to try and gaslight the rest of us into believing it is/was something different.

Pfft.  Man up and admit to reality. There remains a rump group who would:

Put asterisks on any award that had any FT8 QSOs.
Create a "ghetto" of FT8 only variants to every award.

. . .and much, much more.  We've talked about it endlessly.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time than wage an online jihad? 

All you do is argue.  I can't blame those who've blocked you.  I don't like doing that but I'm coming very close.  Post something about some DX.  Anything but another FT8 post.  You literally wear people out.
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VE3VEE

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Re: P5
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2023, 11:15:46 AM »

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Sounds clear it’s you doing all the “hating” here.

Sounds like you haven't read the forum with all its holier-than-thou talk about FT8.

They don't say "to each his own". 

They say "using FT8 is ruining ham radio" or even just "it's wrong".  They heap scorn on it, and talk about "computers talking to computers", spout conspiracy theories they can't prove about rule breaking at the drop of a hat.

Some proudly say they watch FT8 percentages for an expedition and refuse to contribute if FT8 usages exceeds some self-selected, arbitrary amount.

But, yeah, they are all such reasonable creatures.  Sure they are.

There's a lot of invective in these posts that you seem to think aren't "haters".  But it sure sounds hateful and not just to me.

Oh, and when I present data proving FT8's popularity, they pull ideas out of their ass to try and pretend the data doesn't count.  Because the idea that they aren't the majority is one they just can't accept.

Why don't you give the gaslighting a rest?

Larry, you forgot the "human mode" phrase ;D ;D ;D

As if FT8 had nothing to do with us humans  ;D ;D ;D

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N0UN

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Re: P5
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2023, 11:30:25 AM »

Don't you have anything better to do with your time than wage an online jihad? 

All you do is argue.  I can't blame those who've blocked you.  I don't like doing that but I'm coming very close.  Post something about some DX.  Anything but another FT8 post.  You literally wear people out.

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K1VSK

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Re: P5
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2023, 11:47:04 AM »

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Sounds clear it’s you doing all the “hating” here.

Sounds like you haven't read the forum with all its holier-than-thou talk about FT8.

They don't say "to each his own". 

They say "using FT8 is ruining ham radio" or even just "it's wrong".  They heap scorn on it, and talk about "computers talking to computers", spout conspiracy theories they can't prove about rule breaking at the drop of a hat.

Some proudly say they watch FT8 percentages for an expedition and refuse to contribute if FT8 usages exceeds some self-selected, arbitrary amount.

But, yeah, they are all such reasonable creatures.  Sure they are.

There's a lot of invective in these posts that you seem to think aren't "haters".  But it sure sounds hateful and not just to me.

Oh, and when I present data proving FT8's popularity, they pull ideas out of their ass to try and pretend the data doesn't count.  Because the idea that they aren't the majority is one they just can't accept.

Why don't you give the gaslighting a rest?
Temper tantrums are for little children.
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KD8MJR

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Re: P5
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2023, 01:06:34 PM »

Not that different in any meaningful way and he made 13 CW qsos

You said that with such certainty and yet N0UN just showed that he made no CW contacts.
We all have to be careful in the way we word things on this forum
There was recently a video released on YouTube about eHam and why Hams should not trust advice that is given on it.  The guy points out that the members always talk about everything with Certainty even when they are not sure of the answer and he then goes on to explain examples of it that caused him to waste days of his time and money following bad advice.
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KD8MJR

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Re: P5
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2023, 01:10:46 PM »

If I remember correctly Dom was only allowed to use SSB and they listened to every contact as he made it.

You have a good memory. They were "more" than listening, lol.

I have the recording working him around here somewhere.  P5/3Z9DX on 15 Meters that day was a simplex Phone pileup for the ages! I never heard him on 10.  It was supposed to be nothing more than a demonstration with the future "good sized" DXpedition set for the 5 Star Masikryong Ski Resort up on Taehwa Peak, but that got switched around. The future DXpedition couldn't happen, and the demonstration became the only DX Operation.   




Too bad Dennis Rodman isn't a Ham...

N0UN

Thanks.
That is how I remembered it although I did not remember the total Q's, I did remember that it was SSB and that less than 50 Hams from the USA made it in the log.
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N0UN

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Re: P5
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2023, 01:19:36 PM »

Not that different in any meaningful way and he made 13 CW qsos

You said that with such certainty and yet N0UN just showed that he made no CW contacts.
We all have to be careful in the way we word things on this forum
There was recently a video released on YouTube about eHam and why Hams should not trust advice that is given on it.  The guy points out that the members always talk about everything with Certainty even when they are not sure of the answer and he then goes on to explain examples of it that caused him to waste days of his time and money following bad advice.

I believe he was talking about P5/4L4FN who made a few CW Q's from DPRK.

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N0UN

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Re: P5
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2023, 01:33:39 PM »

Speaking of P5...

My LoTW has grown tremendously since they started adding "seconds" onto Q's.  Just couldn't leave well enough alone I guess.  Duplicates on top of duplicates, and no way to remove "duplicates" from LoTW.
 


Same Q, duplicated because of "seconds" (or lack of).

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N0UN

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Re: P5
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2023, 02:04:22 PM »

25 of the 26 NA Q's showed up on the "Leaderboard 100" page.  I remember Dom saying he got emails from all over the States claiming Q's on "broken" calls.  Imagine that, lol.

I do recognize several NA Callsigns and I'd bet good money #69 is a busted call.  Did he claim it?  No idea.




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KD8MJR

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Re: P5
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2023, 02:22:17 PM »

Not that different in any meaningful way and he made 13 CW qsos

You said that with such certainty and yet N0UN just showed that he made no CW contacts.
We all have to be careful in the way we word things on this forum
There was recently a video released on YouTube about eHam and why Hams should not trust advice that is given on it.  The guy points out that the members always talk about everything with Certainty even when they are not sure of the answer and he then goes on to explain examples of it that caused him to waste days of his time and money following bad advice.

I believe he was talking about P5/4L4FN who made a few CW Q's from DPRK.

NØUN
It did not sound that way, but it does not matter.

I saw another video where some guy was doing a live Q&A with Ham operators about 3Y0J and most of the comments where polite but very Angry about what Transpired.

One interesting note was that a Dxpedition guy who has done 38 Dxpeditions was saying that he thinks this is going to have a serious impact on future funding.  His logic was very sound, he basically said that if an Antenna company gives you $10K and several Antennas they expect that you will use them.  If an Amp company gives you Amps plus Cash they expect that you will use them.   He said if you tell them that you will be on the Air for 30 days, they are expecting to get roughly 30 Days of promotion time for the cash that they donated.

He said that he fears that going forward this may cause sponsors to start to include clauses that state if you don't deliver X, Y and Z as you promised you will have to refund back a proportional amount of cash back to the sponsors. 

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Re: P5
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2023, 03:06:11 PM »

One interesting note was that a Dxpedition guy who has done 38 Dxpeditions was saying that he thinks this is going to have a serious impact on future funding.
I've heard this from a couple of folks already, also with DXpedition experience. It will also cause a lot of regular folks to hold back donations ahead of time and only donate after a completely successful trip. For many years that was the policy my club took but we changed it a few years ago for the VP8s and FT5ZM, and now, at my insistence, for Bouvet. We donated $500 to this trip, and many of our members donated more on their own, myself included. I think some of our members may not have been too happy, but I hope saner heads can keep our future donations flowing ahead of time.

He said that he fears that going forward this may cause sponsors to start to include clauses that state if you don't deliver X, Y and Z as you promised you will have to refund back a proportional amount of cash back to the sponsors.
I don't think that's reasonable, quite frankly. If future team leaders can satisfy sponsors' concerns about their proposed operating plans and contingencies, and they still wish to provide material or financial support that's on them. If Plan B is "we'll wing it," well maybe XYZ antennas or ABC amplifiers might have second thoughts.
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Re: P5
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2023, 03:16:37 PM »

Stats for P5/4L4FN...


Talking about numbers, how about the A Index today...


And here's some more numbers for you. This came across my monitor today on 6 Meters. They were all actually 50.313. Copied 4 Hawaiian stations...


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KD8MJR

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Re: P5
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2023, 04:10:37 PM »

One interesting note was that a Dxpedition guy who has done 38 Dxpeditions was saying that he thinks this is going to have a serious impact on future funding.
I've heard this from a couple of folks already, also with DXpedition experience. It will also cause a lot of regular folks to hold back donations ahead of time and only donate after a completely successful trip. For many years that was the policy my club took but we changed it a few years ago for the VP8s and FT5ZM, and now, at my insistence, for Bouvet. We donated $500 to this trip, and many of our members donated more on their own, myself included. I think some of our members may not have been too happy, but I hope saner heads can keep our future donations flowing ahead of time.

He said that he fears that going forward this may cause sponsors to start to include clauses that state if you don't deliver X, Y and Z as you promised you will have to refund back a proportional amount of cash back to the sponsors.
I don't think that's reasonable, quite frankly. If future team leaders can satisfy sponsors' concerns about their proposed operating plans and contingencies, and they still wish to provide material or financial support that's on them. If Plan B is "we'll wing it," well maybe XYZ antennas or ABC amplifiers might have second thoughts.

Well I think anybody that Funds A Bouvet or Peter 1st Dxpedition that does not include Helicopters is pretty much flushing their money down the toilet.   We had doubts about getting equipment on shore from the beach and what a signal would be like on the far side of the Mountain and now it is confirmed that it's a bad idea.   I am sure they can raise the Funds from the EU donors but I suspect that NA donors are going to be skeptical.

BTW one guy was saying that the Expense vs Contacts showed that a Single QSO from 3Y0J costs $50 in expenses.  Kind of Nuts if you ask me.


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KB8GAE

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Re: P5
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2023, 04:40:29 PM »

One interesting note was that a Dxpedition guy who has done 38 Dxpeditions was saying that he thinks this is going to have a serious impact on future funding. 

Any sponsor to 3Y0J was well aware that the 3Y0I and 3Y0Z had failed. They knew going in that there was a real possibility that 3Y0J would not make a single QSO. Bouvet is difficult to activate. I would be surprised if 3Y0J’s limited success is going to have much of an impact on sponsors funding dxpeditions.

IMHO the best model for future dxpeditions to these hard to activate entities is the FT8WW/VK0EK model where ham radio partners with the existing scientific and government organizations. The FT8WW plan to to make satellite contacts with schools was brilliant. The French authorities liked the good publicity this would give them and Crozet got activated.

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N0UN

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Re: P5
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2023, 05:08:02 PM »

The "original" 3Y0J Team of Paul (N6PSE & Ken LA7GIA) sent back my up front donation when Paul stepped aside as the RV Braveheart was sold.  They offered to return up front donations.  That they even offered an option really surprised me.  Quite admirable as it was a sizable donation.

I turned around and sent that money to the reformed 3Y0J Team with Ken not too long after.

https://www.arrl.org/news/3y0j-dxpedition-to-bouvet-island-cancelled

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