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WB8VLC

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2023, 08:45:56 AM »

3Y0j is without a doubt the biggest stupid fest Dx'ped that I have ever heard.

Right now on 18.072 cw and 21.225 phone there are so many morons pirating 3y sending either 599 tu in cw or 59 thank you on phone or playing what sounds like Elmer Fudd along with constant carriers that even if they had decent antennas nobody could even hear them.

With their poor wire antennas and low power and the endless supply of morons, killocycle cops saying up up up on top of them well it's major Ef fest for sure.

Someone needs to get some feedback to the Bouvet guys as to how bad it sounds on their frequencies.
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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2023, 09:02:10 AM »


Someone needs to get some feedback to the Bouvet guys as to how bad it sounds on their frequencies.

It's definitely a mess. 30m at the beginning last night I had to turn the volume down and find something else to do for a while. It finally quieted down, perhaps as the drunks passed out.

They do have their pilots listed on their site if folks want to contact / provide feedback:

https://www.3y0j.no/thepilots
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WB8VLC

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2023, 09:30:51 AM »

The horse crap hams are everywhere on top of every rare Dx station now, there is a EP2 ham on 12 meters cw and it is full of jammers tossing out carriers and other crap on top of the guy or girl.


The kilocycle cops who take it upon themselves to guard the dx are just as bad as the jammers, what with an endless stream of UP UP UP LID LID on top of the DX, well it does nobody any good either.

The guys calling on the Dx frequency will never understand what UP UP means so they might as well just shut up and stop trying to control the lids.

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K4HB

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2023, 03:32:29 PM »

Perhaps some of that DQRM is from those who can't work Morse, and are hoping they'll force the DXpedition to go to FT8? Yeah I know, this crap has been going on long before FT8, but could be in the mix. And some of those QRMing are experienced CW ops.

Something that isn't wise is giving those bozos the attention they don't deserve. Not only are they being acknowledge on the air, but on the cluster as well. QRMers must watch the cluster too, since they know where to go to QRM. When they see all the complaints about them on the cluster, they'll lick their chops and be sure to keep it up. Put more important things on the cluster, like "TNX for the QSO." Those guys sitting on that big block of ice aren't hardly watching the cluster to read the spot, but that lets the whole world know you worked them.
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WB8VLC

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2023, 03:57:25 PM »

I don't know where these nut jobs came from but this crap isn't unique to 3Y0J either because it also happened with TR8CR on 12 cw today who was being spoofed and jammed and it just happened 5 minutes ago to 3W1T in Hanoi on 28.485 who was istening up 5 KHz and being jammed with similar crap that was happening with the 3Y.

Unfortunately when the DX is operating split they aren't aware as to how much their transmit frequencies are being jammed.
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KA2DDX

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2023, 04:56:12 PM »

Folks,

The technology exists whereby radio direction finding can be utilized to rapidly detect where these jammers are located. At that point, it's a matter of local enforcement, be it in our country or some other country.

But, we are always going to have this problem until we put some serious legal and law enforcement heat on these individuals.

Blaming liscensing standards and social attitudes won't offer any kind of solution.

So, what's the best way to implement what I'm suggesting here?

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WB8VLC

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2023, 05:27:31 PM »

well now i really did it.

I now know that whatever is posted over on dx maps stirs these nutjobs up, now they are sending FAG over and over and over on 10.115 because of a jammer comment that I made over on dx maps.


It's confirmed that some mental institution must have let a couple thousand patients loose.
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WA2VUY

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2023, 05:28:55 PM »

The 30m qrm has been ferocious and their weak signals don't overcome it (at least at my qth). What I find interesting is that I didn't hear any of this with FT8WW which was even weaker. Crozet was #3, Bouvet #2 on the most wanted list. So, what accounts for this anti-3Y0J qrm?
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WB8VLC

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2023, 05:35:46 PM »

Folks,

The technology exists whereby radio direction finding can be utilized to rapidly detect where these jammers are located. At that point, it's a matter of local enforcement, be it in our country or some other country.

But, we are always going to have this problem until we put some serious legal and law enforcement heat on these individuals.

Blaming liscensing standards and social attitudes won't offer any kind of solution.

So, what's the best way to implement what I'm suggesting here?
I fantasize about finding their GPS coordinates are and then using cruise missiles, but that may be a bit excessive but it sure would look good on video.
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VK3HJ

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2023, 08:12:43 PM »

The biggest problem with the DX Cluster Network is the lack of any verification of people posting. So, you get spammers impersonating known callsigns, or posting with fake callsigns and causing havoc that way. Second, the free text comment field. Eliminate that and have a few useful informational options from a drop-down list to post useful DX information instead of insults.
Maybe even eliminate the Announcements section. That is nearly only used to post the url of other Cluster Nodes, or throw insults.
That may at least curb the propagation of foolishness via the Cluster Network.
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K1FBI

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2023, 03:47:57 AM »

The biggest problem with the DX Cluster Network is the lack of any verification of people posting. So, you get spammers impersonating known callsigns, or posting with fake callsigns and causing havoc that way. Second, the free text comment field. Eliminate that and have a few useful informational options from a drop-down list to post useful DX information instead of insults.
Maybe even eliminate the Announcements section. That is nearly only used to post the url of other Cluster Nodes, or throw insults.
That may at least curb the propagation of foolishness via the Cluster Network.
I like the drop down menu idea. Years ago the comments were way over the top, especially for Fred and the Marconi Net.
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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2023, 04:22:08 AM »

"I fantasize about finding their GPS coordinates are and then using cruise missiles"

I'm glad it is not just me!!  :)

Or a bomb, lightning strike, etc,etc
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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2023, 04:29:27 AM »

The guys calling on the Dx frequency will never understand what UP UP means so they might as well just shut up and stop trying to control the lids.

REPLY: Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the guys calling on the dx frequency know what UP UP/Split Operation means?.... isn't split operation a subject in the amateur radio licensing exams as one of the questions in the question pool? Oh that's right, we no long have amateur radio license tests.....or do we?....or perhaps we don't?....... :( :o ::) :-[......

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K1FBI

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2023, 04:37:17 AM »

The guys calling on the Dx frequency will never understand what UP UP means so they might as well just shut up and stop trying to control the lids.

REPLY: Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the guys calling on the dx frequency know what UP UP/Split Operation means?.... isn't split operation a subject in the amateur radio licensing exams as one of the questions in the question pool? Oh that's right, we no long have amateur radio license tests.....or do we?....or perhaps we don't?....... :( :o ::) :-[......

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Who knows 😏.. Listening up 5? Listening up 5 to 15? Up,Up and AWAY.....
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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2023, 06:24:37 AM »

Got a chance to listen this morning while having a new patio door put in. I thought oh maybe this might be my chance to work them.  NOPE, not even a slim chance. Was glad to see FT8 finally up and going, might give them a better chance with only 100W. Didn't help. Stations calling at 00, 15, 30 and 45. How in the hell are they supposed to answer the DX?

I'm giving up on this one. If I donated, I'd be asking for my donation back. This one will be talked about for years.
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