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K1FBI

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2023, 02:48:46 PM »


So why would someone who memorized the question pool and doesn't know Morse Code or care to know, be in that part of the band in the first place.



Because they looked at the DX cluster and want to cause QRM.

Either you have real evil thoughts or some people are really bored.
So much more stuff to do in the hobby than jam people.
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WO7R

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2023, 03:10:06 PM »

I have long been suspicious that most jammers are not newbies, but actual, serious DXers.  A**holes to be sure, but serious DXers none the less. 

Some of them, on SSB especially, make very accurate comments -- too accurate -- about where the DX is listening, for instance.  There are other clues of  that sort.

They apparently subscribe to the idea of "if I have mine, and suffered for it, I'll make damn sure you do, too, because that is part of the game."  Or, they just like the sound of their own voice or keyer, take your pick.

So, this may not be "ham radio running downhill" because of X, Y, and Z, but a**holes that have been among us all along.

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W2IRT

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2023, 03:23:06 PM »

I have long been suspicious that most jammers are not newbies, but actual, serious DXers.  A**holes to be sure, but serious DXers none the less. 
Some of them, on SSB especially, make very accurate comments -- too accurate -- about where the DX is listening, for instance.  There are other clues of  that sort.
They apparently subscribe to the idea of "if I have mine, and suffered for it, I'll make damn sure you do, too, because that is part of the game."
100% correct. I would also suggest a few too many 807s or 813s were added to that mix as well.

I mean I get a well-meaning Kilocycle Kop sending "up" (still wrong, but I get it), and on the other hand, Lord knows I've had my radio drop out of split inexplicably (one thing I don't like about the K3s, compared to my old Mark-V). We can all relate to those scenarios I think, and forgive both. But that's not what we're discussing here. Deliberate, malicious QRM intended to make everybody's life hell on top of a DXpedition. Those are not accidental transmission or clueless QRPers. These are guys with big stations, big antennas, and big amps judging by their signal levels, and often their skills at zero-beating the DX (even when he slides up or down a bit) make that plain.
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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2023, 08:56:36 PM »

I heard an expression that described the behaviour possibly allegedly perpetrated by OT who have already worked everything and who don't want anybody else to as "Pulling up the ladder after them".
What I heard on 15 m yesterday likely originated in Europe.
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K4JK

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2023, 03:47:45 AM »

I have long been suspicious that most jammers are not newbies, but actual, serious DXers.  A**holes to be sure, but serious DXers none the less. 
Some of them, on SSB especially, make very accurate comments -- too accurate -- about where the DX is listening, for instance.  There are other clues of  that sort.
They apparently subscribe to the idea of "if I have mine, and suffered for it, I'll make damn sure you do, too, because that is part of the game."
100% correct. I would also suggest a few too many 807s or 813s were added to that mix as well.

I mean I get a well-meaning Kilocycle Kop sending "up" (still wrong, but I get it), and on the other hand, Lord knows I've had my radio drop out of split inexplicably (one thing I don't like about the K3s, compared to my old Mark-V). We can all relate to those scenarios I think, and forgive both. But that's not what we're discussing here. Deliberate, malicious QRM intended to make everybody's life hell on top of a DXpedition. Those are not accidental transmission or clueless QRPers. These are guys with big stations, big antennas, and big amps judging by their signal levels, and often their skills at zero-beating the DX (even when he slides up or down a bit) make that plain.

This is one of those things that people hardly ever talk about. It's always happened but it really becomes extremely obvious when the super rare ones are activated for a brief period. (e.g. Bouvet)

About 20-25 years ago an Elmer who was a DXer (he is now SK) explained this to me. He even told me that he and some other DXers he knew and trusted got together and verified some shenanigans using the means available to them at the time... I got the impression that couple of the names were pretty prominent (and vocal) people. They didn't go public with any info but I think some individuals were quietly confronted. He wouldn't share any calls with me, to his credit.

Some people just have a warped, sociopathic mentality. Sometimes it's due to childhood trauma, sometimes it's other factors. But these types of people usually are unable to face their own failures in life, and instead attack others and spread toxicity around them. The older I get the better I am able to spot them and avoid them at all costs.

Unfortunately they can't be avoided when chasing ATNOs....
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K1VSK

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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2023, 07:53:20 AM »

I heard an expression …. the behaviour possibly …….allegedly perpetrated by….

I guess that’s what ham radio forums have devolved to - perpetuating rumors and myths.

One thing I know - all the OTs I know who are at the top of the HR would never spew such unfounded shameless garbage. Neither do they care what or how much DX anyone else works.
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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2023, 08:28:06 AM »

I think we also get some DQRM from non-DXers who have decent stations, who believe that all QSOs should be 30 minute ragchews, and hate the idea of 599 TU QSOs.  They have no interest in DXing, but want to ruin it for those who don't subscribe to their view of what ham radio should be like.

It has become worse since the DX cluster where anyone can find the DX and their frequency just by looking at the internet.  I don't remember it being this bad pre-cluster

73 John AF5CC
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Re: Is this what amateur radio has become?
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2023, 08:36:54 AM »

Coming to?  Sorry, been that way for some time.  Since when did folks shoot cops for nothing, push elderly people onto subway tracks....our present society and it won't get better unfortunately....
Nope a war is coming, and when it does, will be the USA second Civil War on top of WW-III. Perhaps us Indians might get some land back that was stolen from us.
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