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KB4MNG

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Couple of vertical questions.....
« on: February 07, 2023, 07:43:25 AM »

I am beginning the installation process on a 43' vertical 4-1 balun. How close can it be to a structure and not hurt performance. Lets say I elevate the vertical on a pole to where the base is on a metal roof. Instead of the ground, i use the metal roof for ground. How will that degrade the performance if any?

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WB6BYU

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Re: Couple of vertical questions.....
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2023, 08:20:56 AM »

Generally, elevating the antenna somewhat will
improve performance.  One reason for that is
reduced ground losses.  But don’t put it up
too high: rooftop height should be fine.

One consideration is how well the metal panels
on the roof are bonded together.  Painted metal
panels may work better if installed with roofing
screws rather than nails, as they tend to make
better contact to the underlying metal.  In one
case we added a number of sheet metal screws
to an older roof to bond the panels - stainless
steel preferred, and they need to be sealed.

I don’t know about the bonding of flat metal
roofs on commercial buildings, but they
certainly can make good ground planes in
some cases.


One other note:  you should be using an Un-un
at the feedpoint, rather than a balun.  The
original design using a 4 : 1 voltage balun
was shown to actually force RF onto the coax
shield, which is what a balun is supposed
to prevent.

KB4MNG

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Re: Couple of vertical questions.....
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2023, 11:24:17 AM »

My mistake, I have an un un from balun designs on the way.  Thanks for the input.
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KH6AQ

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Re: Couple of vertical questions.....
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2023, 11:38:52 AM »

My mistake, I have an un un from balun designs on the way.  Thanks for the input.

For an elevated vertical (ground plane) as you propose a feedline common-mode current choke is a must in addition to the 4:1 unun. You can wind your own or buy one. A suitable choke that covers 80-10 meters can be made by winding 12 turns of RG-58 coax on one FT240-31 or FT240-43 ferrite core. These are available at Amazon, Ebay, Mouser and other suppliers. For high power two stacked FT240-43 ferrite cores with 9 turns of coax will work.

G3TXQ chokes   http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/chokes/
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WA3SKN

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Re: Couple of vertical questions.....
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2023, 02:31:42 PM »

OK, its an "Un-Un".  If made with a toroid... minimal.  If made with a space wound coil, still very little.  Now moving the radiator closer to the building will affect the pattern and make it slightly directional.  But 43ft has a wind load and a solid support is worth having.  Start thinking "practical" here... safety first!

-Mike.
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