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WB9LUR

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3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« on: February 15, 2023, 10:29:37 PM »

3 Yankee Ocean Japan (a true story) and other observations from Dog X-Ray


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When I tuned into the spotted USB frequency for 3Y0J. I discovered two pileups. One on his transmit frequency and the other on his listening split. No sign of 3Y0J. Plenty of crazies in both pileups though. One guy took charge and was handing out "Q's" 59 at a time, simplex, right on the DX frequency.

Yes, 3 Yankee Ocean Japan even had an "international accent" and a pileup to boot. Was that one of the European operators? The "Up" police were having on-the-air nervous breakdowns. It was a normal day for Bouvet.

If you don't get why 3 Yankee Ocean Japan is not quite right - perhaps you need a transceiver that lights up red, green or yellow or something when you make a QSO.   


FT8

I don't use it - don't care if you do. Sure looks like you needed a different mode this time.


CW

The sweet tones of Morse music but - clouded by omnipresent DQRM'ers. But with filters, notching, repeats, skill - we still got through. Better than the other modes anyway. Remember, "use whatever mode it takes."

Take away? Maybe time to learn or relearn the code. There are many new users (and some OT's too) having a blast with the original mother rhythm of ham radio.

There are numerous Morse/CW groups one can join but if you are just getting started or re-started with the code, this is a great bunch of ops :

https://www.skccgroup.com/




Randy / WB9LUR


PS, if you have any "memorable" stories from the pileups - would love to hear them.

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WO7R

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2023, 01:24:21 AM »

For those who simply must obsess about mode, here's the Clublog mode stats in percentages:

Continent...SSB..........CW...........FT8..........
AF25.2%49.2%25.6%
AN00.0%00.0%00.0%
AS05.0%59.7%35.3%
EU21.4%60.6%18.0%
NA01.5%71.0%27.5%
OC03.1%37.1%59.8%
SA10.4%55.1%34.5%
Totals11.6%61.0%27.3%
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WB9LUR

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2023, 01:37:03 AM »

For those who simply must obsess about mode...

Trying to imagine what an AM pileup would sound like.

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2023, 02:15:35 AM »

I maintain that CW is still the most effective mode for DX. None of the Data modes have impressed me for the type of DXing I do - DXCC, etc. At least it is for a station like mine, QRO, quiet location, multiple beams and towers. I don't know how small, restricted antennas would work here. I don't have room for small antennas at my station. My first QSO with both FT8WW and 3Y0J were in CW.
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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2023, 02:24:53 AM »

I don't have room for small antennas at my station...


Ha!


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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2023, 04:16:29 AM »

I do really well on CW with a 500W amp and wires in the trees.  Nothing is higher than 40ft. Got Bouvet with 200W and Crozet with 500.
I have dual receivers so I can listen to the DX in one ear and locate the station he is working in the other.  Hear really well now that they fixed the power pole in front of the house.

The one advantage of digital modes is that it reduces target fixation. Pacific DX-peditions will focus on Europe to the exclusion of everything else. 
Which can be a problem if you also have short band openings.  Less of an issue with great band conditions.

Target fixation has been attributed as to one of the reasons why Japan lost the battle of Midway despite numerous advantages the Japanese still held at the time of battle.
Exploiting the concept can be useful in working Digital DX.  It is one the reasons I can work three good DX stations in a band opening to Asia while better stations struggle to work one.

Zak W1VT
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VK3HJ

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2023, 05:17:29 AM »

"Target Fixation" Tell me about it!
The majority of DXpeditions in Africa seem to focus almost solely on Europe. Of course, it's an easy path and lots of callers maintains high rate. They might call for JA, which seems to have a good path to Africa. Then, they might think of calling for VK/ZL/OC. It seems that they forget to change the beam heading, or assume we are all in the direction of Japan. Wrong! We are about 90 degrees away from Japan's beam heading!
I still prefer CW, and find it more effective in nearly all cases.
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K1VSK

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2023, 07:00:45 AM »

At first, I thought this was about three Romanian hams ( three YOs).

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WB9LUR

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2023, 07:38:54 AM »

At first, I thought this was about three Romanian hams ( three YOs).

My error, perhaps this way is more understandable : Three-Yankee-Ocean-Japan.



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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2023, 07:43:57 AM »

Not to be a "Debbie Downer" here, but the callsign is 3 Yankee Zero Japan.

I only saw their callsign "print" on FT8 for a single time slot (17 Meters, I think).  Saw lots of folks calling, but did not see many completed QSO's.

Thanks to those who ventured forth to the middle of the Ocean to allow this to happen. Safe travels home.
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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2023, 07:53:50 AM »

I maintain that CW is still the most effective mode for DX. None of the Data modes have impressed me for the type of DXing I do - DXCC, etc. At least it is for a station like mine, QRO, quiet location, multiple beams and towers. I don't know how small, restricted antennas would work here. I don't have room for small antennas at my station. My first QSO with both FT8WW and 3Y0J were in CW.

I was on an 8th acre, with solar on every roof around me.

S9 would have been a low noise level for me.

I moved there from S0 to S3 noise levels, so I knew the difference.

Your situation has almost zero bearing on the average USA based ham living in suburbia.....  Or even less so for most HOA dwellers.

FT8 don't coded when I couldn't get anything to zero beat against on cw.

It's a tool.  Nothing more.

It's a tool.  Just like the people that whine about it.   Don't want to use it?  Cool.  Don't.  Nobody cares about your opinion on it.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI
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K1VSK

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2023, 08:02:53 AM »

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FT8 don't coded when I couldn't get anything to zero beat against on cw.


WHAT?
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It's a tool.  Just like the people that whine about it.   Don't want to use it?  Cool.  Don't.  Nobody cares about your opinion on it.

--Shane
WP2ASS / ex KD6VXI

Can you identify precisely where the “whine” is to which you refer?

It’s stating the obvious that FT8 is a tool. Often used to substitute for lack of Morse code proficiency or other limitations. Is that description a “whine”?

Unrelated, do many people not know the difference between the letter O and zero?
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WB9LUR

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2023, 08:27:43 AM »


Not to be a "Debbie Downer" here, but the callsign is 3 Yankee Zero Japan.



Perhaps you missed the point of my post? Stations were working "Three-Yankee-Ocean-Japan" and even repeating his fake call sometimes - all the while thinking that they had worked the real deal.

Perhaps the post will make more sense if read with that understanding.

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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2023, 08:35:46 AM »


Perhaps you missed the point of my post? Stations were working "Three-Yankee-Ocean-Japan" and even repeating his fake call sometimes - all the while thinking that they had worked the real deal.

Perhaps the post will make more sense if read with that understanding.

Randy / WB9LUR

It makes sense -- Now.
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Re: 3 Yankee Ocean Japan and other observations from Dog X-Ray
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2023, 08:46:56 AM »


Perhaps you missed the point of my post? Stations were working "Three-Yankee-Ocean-Japan" and even repeating his fake call sometimes - all the while thinking that they had worked the real deal.

Perhaps the post will make more sense if read with that understanding.

Randy / WB9LUR

It makes sense -- Now.

I thought that I had left enough clues...

"When I tuned into the spotted USB frequency for 3Y0J. I discovered two pileups. One on his transmit frequency and the other on his listening split. No sign of 3Y0J. Plenty of crazies in both pileups though. One guy took charge and was handing out "Q's" 59 at a time, simplex, right on the DX frequency.

Yes, 3 Yankee Ocean Japan even had an "international accent" and a pileup to boot. Was that one of the European operators? The "Up" police were having on-the-air nervous breakdowns. It was a normal day for Bouvet.

If you don't get why 3 Yankee Ocean Japan is not quite right - perhaps you need a transceiver that lights up red, green or yellow or something when you make a QSO."


The jist of it seemed clear at the time. Perhaps not clear enough.

Randy / WB9LUR
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