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KD8MJR

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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2023, 08:29:20 PM »

Ya that is true, but given all of the attacks on them I would think the last thing they would want to do is remove the Logs and create more speculation.
M0OXO system lacks info on the total amount of contacts and all the Band data etc.   It's just Black box software that takes your call sign and generates specific info on you for a QSl card.
I can see how that might create a new round of accusations.
If they really have removed the Logs from Clublog on just Whim then IMO it's really a bad idea.


I'm surprised to read your comment about the M0OXO software. I was on the development team that wrote that package.

I just went to M0OXO and looked at the 3Y0J statistics.   I'm not familiar with Clublog, so maybe you're saying there's a difference in the type and/or granularity of the data presented?  However, I've used the statistics function of the software for other projects and it seemed to answer the questions one would ask.

I'm not involved with the 3Y0J project in any way. But I do know why they would move the log to M0OXO for OQRS confirmation purposes. Maybe you should ask M0OXO before speculating about such things. 

Please enlighten me, exactly what statistics are you not getting, maybe the development team missed something you deem important?

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GS K5GS

Sorry, that was my mistake.  I had just gone to do a quick check and did not see the statistics button at the bottom.
It actually looks better than Clublog. I really like it!
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N0UN

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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2023, 10:00:38 PM »

I do like the ability in Club Log to drill down into grid squares.

Might be something for Bespoke to calculate someday.

I guess the only problem with grid squares is "skewed" information - skuttlebutt says there was A LOT of NA Q's via RHR operations.  More than you would thinkMaps don't show from what grid those Q's actually generated the RF, lol.

Only 12 Q's from my Grid.

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AF5CC

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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2023, 11:13:43 PM »

But at one time (70s & before) each person with a station was required to keep a 'station log'. What we would refer to today as a 'logbook'. If you called CQ and no one answered, that had to be logged in the station logbook that you transmitted a CQ at such a time on such a frequency, etc.

Glad you mentioned that Kevin, because that raises a question I have always had-what the contest logs look like back them?  Lot of lines of CQ-no answer with some QSOs thrown in?  They must have taken many sheets of paper since this was before computerized logging.

Maybe someone licensed back then who was into contesting can fill me in.

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KD8MJR

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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2023, 09:49:01 AM »

I do like the ability in Club Log to drill down into grid squares.

Might be something for Bespoke to calculate someday.

I guess the only problem with grid squares is "skewed" information - skuttlebutt says there was A LOT of NA Q's via RHR operations.  More than you would thinkMaps don't show from what grid those Q's actually generated the RF, lol.

Only 12 Q's from my Grid.

NØUN


   

RHR Grid Squares lol  :-X :-X
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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2023, 04:56:18 AM »

I can only speak for what I personally did and witnessed in the 76 - 80 era of HF Contesting. 

I never, nor saw anyone ever, logging unanswered CQs in a contest.  Simply the call, exchange, and the infamous "Dupesheet".  Back then there was a real reason to have 2 ops tied into a run frequency, one operating and one logging.  It wasn't that it was hard to log at all, the issue was also filling out the dupesheet so you could see if you worked someone on a band.

I can remember the screams of DUUUUUUUPE from behind me to this day.

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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2023, 10:06:45 AM »

I do like the ability in Club Log to drill down into grid squares.

Might be something for Bespoke to calculate someday.

I guess the only problem with grid squares is "skewed" information - skuttlebutt says there was A LOT of NA Q's via RHR operations.  More than you would thinkMaps don't show from what grid those Q's actually generated the RF, lol.

Only 12 Q's from my Grid.

NØUN

   

Wow, I had never noticed that function in Clublog. Too bad they removed their logs - I would have been curious to see what NJ looked like. Yep, I suspect RHR was used quite a bit from NA for this one. Well, not from here. While some people are ok with it and its within the rules - for me, RF has to come from a station I built. I'll have to check out the grid function moving forward for other dxpeditions! Interesting data..
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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2023, 10:09:41 AM »

I do like the ability in Club Log to drill down into grid squares.

Might be something for Bespoke to calculate someday.

I guess the only problem with grid squares is "skewed" information - skuttlebutt says there was A LOT of NA Q's via RHR operations.  More than you would thinkMaps don't show from what grid those Q's actually generated the RF, lol.

Only 12 Q's from my Grid.

NØUN


   

RHR Grid Squares lol  :-X :-X

3Y0J - 2,900 Q's with North America total. Anybody like to speculate on how many of those 2,900 came from RHR stations, lol?

"follow the money"

In other Bouvet news the Aussie DB is awful proud of his hard work (in his emails) that he believes he got any future DXpeditions to Peter 1 and Bouvet cancelled by the authorities. He's told the Rebels not to waste their time pursuing either entity, that the authorities have taken the info he provided them and decided not to issue future licenses.

I'm so glad he said he was done posting 'round these parts so we don't have to hear how he thinks he's some kind of "messenger".  He's a POS.  He's also provided snapshots of replies and comments of eHam threads in his emails.  What a DB.

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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2023, 10:12:55 AM »

I do like the ability in Club Log to drill down into grid squares.

Might be something for Bespoke to calculate someday.

I guess the only problem with grid squares is "skewed" information - skuttlebutt says there was A LOT of NA Q's via RHR operations.  More than you would thinkMaps don't show from what grid those Q's actually generated the RF, lol.

Only 12 Q's from my Grid.

NØUN

   

Wow, I had never noticed that function in Clublog. Too bad they removed their logs - I would have been curious to see what NJ looked like. Yep, I suspect RHR was used quite a bit from NA for this one. Well, not from here. While some people are ok with it and its within the rules - for me, RF has to come from a station I built. I'll have to check out the grid function moving forward for other dxpeditions! Interesting data..

The stats and grid charts are still there. Just magnify, and look for you grid!  Click "Statistics", then scroll down to the Grid Map (Density of stations worked by locator), then magnify.  You can also adjust the "Threshold" by the slider on the bottom.  "Mouse-over" your expanded/enlarged grid to see how many Q's were made in any grid.  It's a really neat feature for those that upload to Club Log.

https://clublog.org/charts/?c=3Y0J

NØUN
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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2023, 10:20:59 AM »


The stats and grid charts are still there. Just magnify, and look for you grid!  Click "Statistics", then scroll down to the Grid Map, then magnify.  You can also adjust the "Threshold" by the slider on the bottom.  "Mouse-over" your expanded/enlarged grid to see how many Q's were made in any grid.

https://clublog.org/charts/?c=3Y0J

NØUN

Thanks!! Nice to see that data is still there. Looks like 73 Q's from my grid.

What is the purpose of the threshold slider? What is the benefit of using it? Just trying to understand what it shows..
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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2023, 10:28:18 AM »


The stats and grid charts are still there. Just magnify, and look for you grid!  Click "Statistics", then scroll down to the Grid Map, then magnify.  You can also adjust the "Threshold" by the slider on the bottom.  "Mouse-over" your expanded/enlarged grid to see how many Q's were made in any grid.

https://clublog.org/charts/?c=3Y0J

NØUN

Thanks!! Nice to see that data is still there. Looks like 73 Q's from my grid.

What is the purpose of the threshold slider? What is the benefit of using it? Just trying to understand what it shows..

The Threshold slider changes the threshold for different colors (amount of Q's).  If you were looking at a wider span, you can adjust to see where most (or less) Q's were made, by color.

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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2023, 10:40:05 AM »

I wonder how the pileup QRM will be for the "messenger" guy who says he single-handedly got future Bouvet and Peter 1 Island DXpeditions cancelled?  I suspect there's many mildly upset folks who may never get the chance to work Peter 1 Island or Bouvet if what he says he's done is true.

I'm sure some may want to question his ability to operate safely from Norfolk Island.  Or maybe the holy "Messenger" will cancel that too?
 
Hmmmm....

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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2023, 10:51:19 AM »

I wonder how the pileup QRM will be for the "messenger" guy who says he single-handedly got future Bouvet and Peter 1 Island DXpeditions cancelled?  I suspect there's many folks who may never get the chance to work Peter 1 Island or Bouvet if what he says he's done is true.

I'm sure some may want to question his ability to operate safely from Norfolk Island.  Or maybe the holy "Messenger" will cancel that too?
 
Hmmmm....

NØUN



Don’t way over-estimate his influence. It’s only slightly above background noise.
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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2023, 05:40:15 PM »

The grid feature in Clublog is a nice one I hadn't noticed before.

It suggests to me that they did a good job, despite everything on the QSOs they did make.

Allowing for Geography (all expeditions always work closer continents preferentially) the density of the grids is a rough match for the population centers in the  US and Europe.

Had they been able to operate as planned, this would have been a smashing success.  As it is, they did do a decent job of spreading the wealth "while it lasted."
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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2023, 06:28:20 PM »

3Y0J - 2,900 Q's with North America total. Anybody like to speculate on how many of those 2,900 came from RHR stations, lol?

Sure. Back of the envelope: there are about 20 RHR stations, but some are on the west coast, so those are less likely to be rented to work Bouvet. Call it 15 stations.  Assume 5 or 6 ops rent some time and work 2 slots each.  I use 2 slots because 90% of all Q's were for 1 or 2 slots.  That's about 180 Q's or about 6%.  Or, glass half-full, 94% of NA QSO's were not from rent-a-stations.  --  Jim K6OK
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Re: 3Y0J - Perfectly Legal
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2023, 06:53:53 PM »

3Y0J - 2,900 Q's with North America total. Anybody like to speculate on how many of those 2,900 came from RHR stations, lol?

Sure. Back of the envelope: there are about 20 RHR stations, but some are on the west coast, so those are less likely to be rented to work Bouvet. Call it 15 stations.  Assume 5 or 6 ops rent some time and work 2 slots each.  I use 2 slots because 90% of all Q's were for 1 or 2 slots.  That's about 180 Q's or about 6%.  Or, glass half-full, 94% of NA QSO's were not from rent-a-stations.  --  Jim K6OK

Scuttlebutt says your "back of the envelope" figure is not even 1/4 of the way there.  Don't forget 3Y0J was operational for 8 days.

 :)

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