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WA2VUY

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2023, 03:29:58 PM »

A new high for a new low.

Rebels got an email from an Italian IP with a Gmail account that claimed he made more 8,700 Q's pirating 3Y0J.

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KD8MJR

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2023, 03:48:24 PM »

I can understand why they would not want to sift through the FT8 data, there are to many variables.
I made two FT8 contacts and none of them showed up in the Log.
 I just assumed it was another fake.   This DXpedition certainly bought out the worst kind of people that we have in the Hobby.  I will never again use FT8 for an ATNO.  I only tried it because that was what they were using when I could hear them.  I should have just spent more time on CW waiting for the right moment

 With FT8 there is no way to confirm your dealing with the correct station and that's a major problem.  I can hear the flutter and tone of a CW signal and know if it's really coming from the location or I get familiar with the tone that that I have heard when I was 100% certain it was real station.
As for SSB I can pick up on an OP's voice and accent and know I am talking to the right person. 
FT8 is just a big gamble when the stakes are high.  Just way to easy for anyone to put in a DX call sign in the settings and then create misery.
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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2023, 03:57:03 PM »

Rebels got an email from an Italian IP with a Gmail account that claimed he made more 8,700 Q's pirating 3Y0J.

 1. If true, I just wish I had this amount of free time on my hands.
 2. If true, this guy has some serious issues of hatred in his heart.
 3. If true, there are a LOT of suckers out there.
 4. If true, WHY would someone do this?
 5. If true, hopefully his CW pileup skills improved if CW was the mode he allegedly committed this act on............It was probably FT8 though.   


                            Tom KH0/KC0W
   
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WO7R

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2023, 05:56:09 PM »

I have never seen so much piracy as with this one.

There was, as I recall, such cheek that there was a pirate on 3Y0J's CW frequency giving out reports.  At least it was the first or second day when I witnessed it.

It is perhaps marginally easier to pirate FT8.  And yet, so far, pirates have been very egalitarian about mode.  Take a look at the DX Marathon Helpful hints.  You'll see pirate entries all over the map in terms of mode, band, anything.  They seem to be equal opportunity killjoys.

It all reinforces what I remember Martti Lane writing in some long forgotten DXCC Annual.

He said "the DXpedition has to be loud."  This one, for reasons we all know, was not.
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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2023, 06:34:31 PM »

You mean like this one that took over 2 hours to get and is not in their log either?
Yes! That is exactly how mine is.
I'm in that same boat; Same date and roughly the same time for 15m FT8.
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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2023, 07:22:30 PM »

egalitarian

 I enjoy your posts because I'm always looking up word definitions. If you ever quit your day job I recommend getting into the lucrative fields of being a professional Scrabble player or a crossword puzzle creator.   
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KD8MJR

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2023, 07:53:23 PM »

Reading Tim's message I guess the real message is dupe, dupe and dupe again until you show up in the online log.

You would have been Duping all week because the Logs did not get uploaded until the Show was over.  I am still not sure why they did not carry the starlink system over to the island.  It could have been powered up for 10 minutes every night and the Logs uploaded.
Add that to the numerous other mysteries.
They should write a book about the Expedition, I would buy it.
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WO7R

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2023, 08:56:17 PM »

Quote
I enjoy your posts because I'm always looking up word definitions. If you ever quit your day job I recommend getting into the lucrative fields of being a professional Scrabble player or a crossword puzzle creator. 

Thank you for a generous a day-brightening post!

BTW, I enjoy your posts because they are ensconced in reality.  Certainly as compared to many postings around here including sometimes, I am chastened to admit, my own.
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W6OP

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2023, 07:20:07 AM »

You mean like this one that took over 2 hours to get and is not in their log either?
Yes! That is exactly how mine is.
I'm in that same boat; Same date and roughly the same time for 15m FT8.

I saw your QSO go by while I was trying to work them. I really would like to get an answer if it was a pirate or just dozens of us made a QSO but they weren't logged.
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EI2GLB

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2023, 08:17:10 AM »

It was a pirate sorry but you need to get over it, can't blame the team for this, they didn't risk there lives to activate the #2 most wanted entity to just work people and not log them,

And until you see a confirmed Q in the log I would never stop calling, doesn't matter what they announce via pilots ECT,




You mean like this one that took over 2 hours to get and is not in their log either?
Yes! That is exactly how mine is.
I'm in that same boat; Same date and roughly the same time for 15m FT8.

I saw your QSO go by while I was trying to work them. I really would like to get an answer if it was a pirate or just dozens of us made a QSO but they weren't logged.
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K1VSK

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2023, 08:58:29 AM »


And until you see a confirmed Q in the log I would never stop calling, doesn't matter what they announce via pilots ECT,

I would confine that suggestion only to FT8 as it’s not that difficult to discern real from fake on CW or SSB.

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2023, 06:27:40 PM »

You mean like this one that took over 2 hours to get and is not in their log either?
Yes! That is exactly how mine is.
I'm in that same boat; Same date and roughly the same time for 15m FT8.

Sent NIL request on Charle's website back on 2/15/23 about the same thing, 15m 17:05z time frame on 2/10

His response was "sadly yes, the pirate".
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W6OP

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Re: 3Y0J 15 meter FT8 Missing QSOs
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2023, 07:35:31 AM »

I would like to apologize to Charles, M0OXO. Some of my comments about the digital QSO policy were triggered by the link to Tim's (M0URX) https://www.m0urx.com/ft-modes-not-in-log/ (since removed) site that had been posted in error.

Charles was very quick to get back to me and has confirmed that is was a pirate and 3Y0J was not operating on 15 meters at that time.

73,
Pete W6OP
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