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K0UA

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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2023, 08:33:25 PM »

Everyone could just not use HF if there is a problem with all these other countries  ;D ;D

This question came up on a Facebook page and it was my knowledge that if they -
1. Have a valid callsign from their country that they reside in
2. Their country doesn't have a ban on Ham communications from other countries
3. The ITU doesn't ban us from communicating with them

then why not?

If Hams are going to have political opinions about other countries and refuse to communicate with them, then that is on them and they should keep their political opinion to themselves and out of Ham Radio. Hams that bring politics into the hobby when it comes to who you talk to or what sort of radio you purchase should have their licenses cancelled and be banned from Ham Radio. Ya want to talk about turning people off to the hobby? There is one of a hundred different ways, especially when you have someone who knows nothing about radio and is afraid to disobey the rules for fear of being thrown in prison. Personally I will outright refuse to talk to anyone who throws politics into the discussion when it comes to how I operate radio or what sort of radio I operate. Ham Radio crosses borders regardless of race or religion or political opinion. Lets keep it that way.

When in doubt, follow the rules, NOT the politics or opinions.

Number 1 above is where the rub comes in.  Russians in occupied portions of Ukraine don't have valid callsigns from the country they are in. Now do they?  Or is it OK to brutally invade and murder that countries citizens, then take up residence and claim it for the invaders country and operate with the invaders callsign groups?  Are you good with that? I am not. So if the US invaded a big chunk of Alberta Canada, and had Americans move in and assigned them W7 callsigns are you good with that?  I am not. I would tend to think that would be a violation of Canada's sovereign  rights. What do you think?
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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2023, 08:48:09 PM »

The person that started the thread didn't ask about working Russians. That is Russians operating from their own sovereign territory. He made note of the Russian prefix's that were operating illegally from Ukraine territory. Notice they do not even militarily control Luhansk or Donetsk, let alone Kherson Oblast. They don't even control the capital city of Kherson oblast. any more and haven't since September 2022. Let alone the genocidal murder of thousands of Ukrainian citizens.

You know that for evil to triumph all we have to do is nothing. So as far as working Russians in Russia that is one thing. They are not likely to be the cause of any of this, although the majority of Russians still support the invasion. But working an illegal occupier on Ukrainian territory, I DO have a problem with that. If you cannot look evil in the face and say no, then that is on you.

I suppose you all would have worked German stations in occupied France 80 years ago too? Would that have been a good thing?  I don't think so.
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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2023, 02:58:06 AM »

The actual question posed was whether they were illegal.  My point is, what authority allowed the US to use T calls in Irag and Afgan?  And by the way, the calls counted for Iraq and Afgan.  Not the US.

So technically, under the same path, those Russian calls would count for Ukraine and not Russia.

I completely disagree with Russia invading.  But I am sure many disagreed with the US in Iraq as well.  Yet the DXCC status was granted.

Ed  N1UR
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K0AP

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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2023, 05:50:24 AM »

The person that started the thread didn't ask about working Russians. That is Russians operating from their own sovereign territory. He made note of the Russian prefix's that were operating illegally from Ukraine territory. Notice they do not even militarily control Luhansk or Donetsk, let alone Kherson Oblast. They don't even control the capital city of Kherson oblast. any more and haven't since September 2022. Let alone the genocidal murder of thousands of Ukrainian citizens.

You know that for evil to triumph all we have to do is nothing. So as far as working Russians in Russia that is one thing. They are not likely to be the cause of any of this, although the majority of Russians still support the invasion. But working an illegal occupier on Ukrainian territory, I DO have a problem with that. If you cannot look evil in the face and say no, then that is on you.

I suppose you all would have worked German stations in occupied France 80 years ago too? Would that have been a good thing?  I don't think so.

I hope you were this concerned and angry when we were blowing up places all around the world...
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K0UA

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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2023, 06:27:20 AM »

The person that started the thread didn't ask about working Russians. That is Russians operating from their own sovereign territory. He made note of the Russian prefix's that were operating illegally from Ukraine territory. Notice they do not even militarily control Luhansk or Donetsk, let alone Kherson Oblast. They don't even control the capital city of Kherson oblast. any more and haven't since September 2022. Let alone the genocidal murder of thousands of Ukrainian citizens.

You know that for evil to triumph all we have to do is nothing. So as far as working Russians in Russia that is one thing. They are not likely to be the cause of any of this, although the majority of Russians still support the invasion. But working an illegal occupier on Ukrainian territory, I DO have a problem with that. If you cannot look evil in the face and say no, then that is on you.

I suppose you all would have worked German stations in occupied France 80 years ago too? Would that have been a good thing?  I don't think so.

I hope you were this concerned and angry when we were blowing up places all around the world...

You mean your not concerned and angry?

Are you equivocating? You see the routing of Al-Qaida in Afghanistan, an organization that attacked our country and killed thousands of our innocent citizens with the invading of Ukraine by Russia for the purpose of taking their land and murdering thousands of their citizens in the process.  Do you really see those two things as just "blowing places up?"  Seriously? I am starting to think your moral compass needs servicing.
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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2023, 06:34:32 AM »

The person that started the thread didn't ask about working Russians. That is Russians operating from their own sovereign territory. He made note of the Russian prefix's that were operating illegally from Ukraine territory. Notice they do not even militarily control Luhansk or Donetsk, let alone Kherson Oblast. They don't even control the capital city of Kherson oblast. any more and haven't since September 2022. Let alone the genocidal murder of thousands of Ukrainian citizens.

You know that for evil to triumph all we have to do is nothing. So as far as working Russians in Russia that is one thing. They are not likely to be the cause of any of this, although the majority of Russians still support the invasion. But working an illegal occupier on Ukrainian territory, I DO have a problem with that. If you cannot look evil in the face and say no, then that is on you.

I suppose you all would have worked German stations in occupied France 80 years ago too? Would that have been a good thing?  I don't think so.

I hope you were this concerned and angry when we were blowing up places all around the world...

You mean your not concerned and angry?

Are you equivocating? You see the routing of Al-Qaida in Afghanistan, an organization that attacked our country and killed thousands of our innocent citizens with the invading of Ukraine by Russia for the purpose of taking their land and murdering thousands of their citizens in the process.  Do you really see those two things as just "blowing places up?"  Seriously? I am starting to think your moral compass needs servicing.

If it wasn't for the double standard, some people will have no standard at all...
And no, I am not justifying the Russian invasion in Ukraine, I am just pointing out the double standard. And you just proved me right...
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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2023, 06:35:20 AM »

The actual question posed was whether they were illegal.  My point is, what authority allowed the US to use T calls in Irag and Afgan?  And by the way, the calls counted for Iraq and Afgan.  Not the US.
So technically, under the same path, those Russian calls would count for Ukraine and not Russia.

My English is not good enough to understand the above correctly. If Vermont is occupied by another country tomorrow, what would be the correct call sign to use - issued by the US or by the occupying country? Should the second call be counted in the LoTW for US? Well, the last technical question - when you will make QSO with radio amateurs of the country that occupies yours,  what call sign will you use in this case?
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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2023, 07:44:06 AM »

I am glad they have “special” call signs. Now I know how to avoid contact with them. 

Slava Ukraini!
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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2023, 08:46:32 AM »

I am just saying that this is what has been done before.  And no one challenged it.

They probably should have, but didn't.

Ed  N1UR
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Re: Illegal Russian callsigns for occupied Ukraine
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2023, 09:02:30 AM »

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