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K1VSK

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Ve3Vee works through a remote.  What's the big difference?
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none. That’s my point.
To some, it makes no difference.

I'm 100 miles from my remote station. They are 1 mile from theirs. That's a 99 mile difference.  ;D ;D ;D

Marvin VE3VEE
Let’s review - What’s the commonality here?
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KD6KVL

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Ve3Vee "I can see my tower from here!!!!!"

I can't remember which but either ZL9 or ZL8 where they can't stay on island overnight.  This or the link technology would be huge for the half the world that needs them during that time.

Speaking of which;
Whatever happened to the ZL9HR money thing?  Haraoa?  Last I remember of being here, there was a scuffle over the accounting and dispersement amongst the operators.  Did it every come to a resolution?
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KD6KVL

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Ve3Vee works through a remote.  What's the big difference?
Frank KG6N
none. That’s my point.
To some, it makes no difference.

I'm 100 miles from my remote station. They are 1 mile from theirs. That's a 99 mile difference.  ;D ;D ;D

Marvin VE3VEE
Let’s review - What’s the commonality here?

They both operate the control point remotely?  The rules say the antenna and tx have to be on land right?

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If they're operating RIB-style their box is putting in a pretty big signal to NJ this afternoon on 15 CW. Got him before the killer EU pileup started, thankfully.
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Working DX through a repeater link isn’t working DX.  But its not about how, it’s all about the diminished sense of accomplishment by what you can claim to take credit for.
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The 10 meter FM gang would tend to disagree with you on your characterization of it being called a repeater link.

It all depends on what you consider dx and what you consider to be a repeater also as I was working thru one of the sunshine coast Australia repeaters on 29.68 MHz FM last night and I consider that to be valid DX.

 I was running a 30 year old 60 watt Motorola 10 meter Maxtrac and my 67 inch maxrad mobile whip.
 
What you are describing is not a repeater either it is more of a remote base link which is also very common on 10 meters FM.
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KD6KVL

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If you work someone on a 10 meter repeater, you are working the repeater.  If you work a transmitter on an island, you are working the island.  Repeater contacts are not valid for DXCC.  This method of activation is legal at this point.  Just because its easier for them to operate, doesn't mean its wrong.  Just like a remote home station.  The transmitter/antenna location is what counts.  All these guys with K3/0 setups are remoting. 
What if he ran an ethernet cable out onto the boat and ran the FT8 from his laptop? 
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it’s all about the diminished sense of accomplishment by what you can claim to take credit for.


My "sense of accomplishment" has not been "diminished" a single bit!  ;D ;D ;D

I know exactly what I have accomplished. I accomplished exactly the same as every one else around here. I have put together a simple ham radio station. Not a big deal. Everyone else here has done it. In addition to that, I have set up a networking system so I can control all the components of my station remotely, from home, from work, from car, from bedroom, from washroom, from backyard, from front yard, etc.  ;D ;D ;D

So in essence it has been a bit more difficult for me because I had to learn a little bit about networking, my station includes components that a typical home station may not need, and also each time something goes wrong, I have to get into my car and travel 3 hours just to find out what has gone wrong instead of just having access to everything right at my home.  8) 8) 8)

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KD6KVL

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I'm not "station shaming" someone based on the location of the transmitter!   That's sooo 2005! 
Remote ham radio aside......You can call in and work DX from the east coast all day and call in and work it all night from the west coast.....Not the same. 
Don't let anyone give you any grief Marvin.  If I had a hilltop around here to setup a a station on, it'd be in the works.  The KPH listening staion picked out by Marconi is 30 miles from me.  One of the quietest listening stations on the west coast, maybe I could sneak in a K3 remote and tee into the array?
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More FAKE ham radio. But if that is what floats your boat (so to say) go for it.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for capitalism but operating HF from a boat via a 900MHz link is even one step below operating HF via Internet remote.
I fail to see how this is fake ham radio. They landed and set up a station with their own two hands. Their signal is originating directly from the island. What difference does it make if they are sitting right next to the radio, or in a boat just offshore linking in? It's equivalent to having a long cable strung from the radio and antenna on shore to their boat, but instead of a physical cable, it is a wireless link. I do not see how that changes anything.

Would you say that I am engaging in "fake radio" since I am operating my own home station remotely from college? I am genuinely curious since that does not seem all that different from what they are doing. In fact, what I am doing might even be considered "worse" since I am going through the internet rather than a direct link.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just my two pennies!  ;D

EDIT: I see KD6KVL made a similar point. I missed that before submitting this reply.
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Watching, lurking, reading the mail on this thread.

I ran 80+ "remote" CW Q's from Dom's station on Fiji with my Fiji license (3D2UN).  A leisure effort via AnyDesk.  I logged in twice.  I can do it anytime I wish.  We did it so I could give CW and SSB contacts from where Dom is headed later this year.  A dry run, getting used to it "kinda' thing".

Dom wants to dedicate a station for me on T30 and several other not yet announced Entities for CW and SSB while he runs FT8.

It's legal.  The LoTW counts, but so far it just doesn't feel right. I've spent my entire 50+ years in Ham Radio making Q's from MY STATION(s).  It feels weird.

Dom's putting in the time, money, travel, radios, antenna's, experience and I just log in.

I'm still on the fence whether it's worth my time (no effort) to put up with the idiots, cops, brain dead and deliberate QRMers while sitting here in my shack drinking a Bud Light.

So far it's just, "meh".  Time will tell.

NØUN
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K1VSK

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I'm not "station shaming" someone based on the location of the transmitter!   That's sooo 2005! 

inappropriate labels aside, this issue didn’t exist in 2005 so that characterization is dubious.

That some get so defensive when anyone expresses an opinion here which they don’t like is telling.

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N4UFO

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I fail to see how this is fake ham radio.

I was running bands for my 5BWAS with Tom back over 20 years ago... and I know for a fact he's old school. It's an opinion thing, Mason, that's all... it's about preferences and what we 'used to do'. (Frankly, I like my Yaesu at home as opposed to taking my 20-something tube Heathkit HW-101 up on the mountain for field day!) Remember the comment is coming from someone who does not use LotW. If he doesn't like LotW and IS okay with a remote station operated remotely from a boat offshore, then I would be seriously worried about him. That's just not Tom! ;)

Everybody is different and I like Tom for who he is. He keeps ham radio traditions alive and well. Me, I am middle of the road. I went to the Nevada desert to give out satellite grids, but then had to wait until someone else went to work the grids myself. While I know many that basically get a club/special callsign, travel to a remote grid, then call up their stations at home and work themselves by remote. (they are using the different callsign in the field) Me, I like to use my gear at home, and do it myself. What the DX is doing... I might be a little more liberal on that. As long as they are operating within the rules, I'm good with it. Especially if they are spending theor own money. But if I spent my own bucks to travel the world and give out new ones myself, I might feel more like Tom. :)

As always, your mileage may vary... 73, Kevin N4UFO
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KD6KVL

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I appreciate Tom and the CW thing.  I worked him across the pacific years ago and it was a lot of fun.   I need to write up some cards to confirm them! 
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Everybody is different and I like Tom for who he is. He keeps ham radio traditions alive and well.
Absolutely. I was just stating my own personal view of the topic. I have nothing but respect for Tom and all of his DX activity that was occurring even well before existed  :)  I might disagree with his position that what AA7JV is doing is fake radio, but as I said, everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion, and there is nothing wrong with keeping it "old school" if one so desires!
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