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WO7R

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I don't understand what the problem is.

If I work a station in Fiji and the operator is 5 miles or 5000 miles away, what do I care?

My job is the same as it always was.  Get the signal to Fiji and have a radio in Fiji send the signal back.

I did the very same, regardless.  As long as the station is actually in Fiji how would I know or care about the rest?

Why are we so worried about what's going on in the other guy's shack?  Why does how hard or easy it is for him have anything to do with what I accomplished?

Some of you are going to have to give up ham radio.  You're way too worried about mode, the other guy's station, and a hundred other things that you do not control and never will.  And, apparently, more every day.  It is, as AA6YQ points out, a technical  hobby.  Expect change.

I'm amazed some of you haven't died of an aneurism.

Besides, some of you have probably worked dozens of remote stations now and did not know it.   In these cases, tell me how your sense of accomplishment was diminished.  Is it retroactively diminished when someone tells you that "so and so was operating PJ2 from Kansas?"  Wow.   That's working way, way too hard at something that's hard enough as it is.  Maybe you shouldn't try and find out.

Maybe you should just settle for working the call signs you hear and let someone else be the killjoy cops.  Just an idea.

If you want to work radio, traditionally, I have no objection.  Especially if you insist on plopping your butt down on Godforsaken Island yourself.  Major props to you if you do.

But, stateside, sometimes the traditional way is even easier now.  I just worked an A4 on SSB, fairly easily, probably because PSKReporter told me there was another A4 on the same band running FT8.  Less competition is fine with me.  More stations, more activity is also fine with me.

There's plenty and enough out there to make it harder, after all.


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KD8MJR

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I have no issue with it as it stands now but we all know where this is heading.
Soon people will be logging into the autonomous system and working DX while sipping a beer in Ca and then the next step will be charging people for the "thrill" of working as a Dx station from a remote location.
I can already smell the rotten odor of another RHR business model coming to life!
 
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KC0W

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 Radio-------Coax--------Antenna
 Anything else is FAKE ham radio.

 Question for the Internet remote proponents: Can you operate without an Internet connection? A simple yes/no answer would be great.

   
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VE3VEE

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Absolutely yes. I would just lose the ability to take it with me anywhere I happen to be 24/7.  ;D ;D ;D

Marvin VE3VEE
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K1JX

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Radio-------Coax--------Antenna
 Anything else is FAKE ham radio.

Since I use ladder line between the radio and the antenna, I must be a FAKE. 

The shame of it is overwhelming.  I may sue DX Engineering for selling a product that led me down this path.
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N2SR

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Radio-------Coax--------Antenna
 Anything else is FAKE ham radio.


I use a wireless mouse and wireless keyboard.  Fake. 

I use an automatic amplifier that sits on a shelf in my basement.  Fake. 

I use Green Heron Engineering Wi-Fi to switch antennas - remotely.  Fake.

https://youtu.be/IgHThXuheOM
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KE8KMX

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ICOM makes the IC-705 which is their 10w portable HF/VHF/UHF rig.  It has Bluetooth wireless built in so you can control it with a laptop and run FT8 via radio waves (2.4 GHz) from laptop to radio exactly the same as the example that started this thread. Bluetooth does not fall under Part 97 so any operation doing so is FAKE HAM RADIO.    :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o



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K1VSK

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Radio-------Coax--------Antenna
 Anything else is FAKE ham radio.

 Question for the Internet remote proponents: Can you operate without an Internet connection? A simple yes/no answer would be great.

 

We’re you actually expecting an honest answer?
The “wireless mouse” and the “ladder line” responses serve only to show how some try to divert when the obvious flaw in their rationalization is pointed out. 
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K1JX

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We’re you actually expecting an honest answer?
The “wireless mouse” and the “ladder line” responses serve only to show how some try to divert when the obvious flaw in their rationalization is pointed out.

No.  You have that wrong.

In my case I was trying to add a bit of levity in response to Tom's flawed statement.  That is no comment on a "rationalization" of any sort.  I get what Tom is trying to say.

My own opinion, for what little it is worth, is that DX'ing is like playing solitaire.  You are only competing against the odds and yourself.  (Odds meaning propagation, luck in the pile-ups, and so on.) 

Any real analysis of a station's performance when you take into account the terrain's effects on take-off angles, local noise, and all the rest means that no two stations are alike and really shouldn't be compared.  That's hardly a real competition, is it?  So, why treat it as such?

If you want to get philosophical, who is the better DX'er - a guy like W2QHH or some guy with stacked antennas on a rotary tower located on a bluff overlooking saltwater for most directions?  Can you even compare the two?

Personally, I'm not advocating anything, other than enjoying yourself.  Getting in the way of somebody else's fun isn't cool, but a lot of people seem to enjoy that more than actually working DX for themselves.  I'm not in favor of that.  The fun is supposed to be in the chase.
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N0UN

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Radio-------Coax--------Antenna
 Anything else is FAKE ham radio.

 Question for the Internet remote proponents: Can you operate without an Internet connection? A simple yes/no answer would be great.

 

No, I know I cannot.

In fact, not just any Internet connection, but you need a low latency Internet connection.  You hear it daily, the big delay in a reply causing doubling.  I've heard it hundreds of times in pileups where the DX station has called somebody and the guy on the remote doesn't answer the bell because of a latency issue.  No, I'm not talking because of QRM, I'm talking latency.  That delay kills a good CW pileup and breaks the rhythm of the Op.  On a 30 WPM CW pileup it's really obvious who's running remote.

Starlink has speed, but at times there's also quite a bit of latency.  You hear Internet "Gamers" complaining of latency issues all the time.

I can't seem to decide what I really think about remote operations.  I've tried it twice now with 3D2UN and I am underwhelmed.  Not sure what exactly I expected, but I'm still holding out hope it doesn't turn out like the two times I did FT8, bwahahahahahahaha!

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KM4SII

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Question for the Internet remote proponents: Can you operate without an Internet connection? A simple yes/no answer would be great.
I can most certainly can operate without the internet being involved when I am at my QTH, but while I am at college out of state I cannot, of course. If it weren't for my station being remote-capable, I would be QRT since there is no way for me to be able to put up an antenna at my apartment, and the club station at my university has not been functional for several years due to antenna damage (we are working on getting it back on the air though).

I do understand where you are coming from, but in the end, we will have to agree to disagree. We all have our own way of doing the hobby and there's nothing wrong with that! I'll be looking for you on the air in the future, Tom. I still need KH0 on a number of bands.
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VE3VEE

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I do understand where you are coming from


But I don't.  ;D ;D ;D

When someone says "...but you cannot operate your station via the Internet...", I honestly do not understand the significance of using or not using a network connection to my own station. It is still my station, my radio, my antenna, my coax. During our QSO I tell you the QTH  of my station, I confirm the QSO via LoTW with the correct country, grid, etc. What difference does it make to anyone or anything if I happen to be present at my QTH or if I happen to be in my car travelling somewhere using my station via the Internet.

Perhaps my not understanding the significance of this is because I was QRT for more than 25 years and during my inactivity people were experimenting with remotes so I must have missed all the discussions on the topic.

If someone wishes to enlighten me on the significance of not using any network connection to one's own station, please do so, or forever hold your peace.  ;D ;D ;D

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N0UN

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What's everybody getting so butt hurt about?

Tom specifically said (about remoting), "But if that is what floats your boat (so to say) go for it."

Go float your boats and remote all you want.  Nobody said you can't.

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VE3VEE

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Go float your boats and remote all you want.  Nobody said you can't.


Wayne, thanks for the clarification. English is not my native language so I mistakenly thought some people were against remoting.  ;D ;D ;D

 8) 8) 8)

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N0UN

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Go float your boats and remote all you want.  Nobody said you can't.


Wayne, thanks for the clarification. English is not my native language so I mistakenly thought some people were against remoting.  ;D ;D ;D

 8) 8) 8)

Marvin VE3VEE

Marvin,

Say it ain't so, eh!

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