While I don't much care for 11M OPs, as long as they stay in their own 'sandbox' and don't bother me, I won't bother them. However, some in their quest to 'swing the biggest monkey' with regards to amplifiers left me somewhat appreciative of their efforts. I'm not talking about the Hunter Bandits, the Mars or the D&A junk you see at hamfests. I'm talking about people with some amount of talent to go and put 8X3-500Z's on 27Mhz without any of them going into oscillation oblivion! People like Shane and Will Matney(RIP) on the old AMPS reflector made me have a greater appreciation for some of their efforts. I'm not saying there aren't any 'Rube Goldbergs' out there, (our community isn't shy of them either), but we ought to exam some of the successes and see how we can apply the same.